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Old 07-19-2012, 09:57 PM   #81
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Old 07-19-2012, 10:22 PM   #82
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I have learned over the years that some people have it and some don't, but I have also learned that speed is not the answer either. As a few have said prior, efficiency, coordination and experience makes you faster, but if you don't have the aptitude for the learning the skills you probably aren't going to go very far.
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I have learned over the years that some people have it and some don't, but I have also learned that speed is not the answer either. As a few have said prior, efficiency, coordination and experience makes you faster, but if you don't have the aptitude for the learning the skills you probably aren't going to go very far.
I have it, I just don't remember where I put it
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Some guys waste their time watching other guys for faults. I've got my head down doing my job and I could care less what others are doing...
I live on what is left over. I want as much as possible to be left over.

I'm not looking for "faults". I'm looking for deviations from our system and ways to improve productivity. Some would call that supervision.
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I live on what is left over. I want as much as possible to be left over.

I'm not looking for "faults". I'm looking for deviations from our system and ways to improve productivity. Some would call that supervision.
My point may have been lost. Many times people less skilled then myself like to stand back and judge my actions. Looking for any way that I might could go faster....Mostly penny pinching homeowners.

I'm always looking for tips on how to do things more effectively, the jobs needs to be done right but speed key too.

I'm also the guy that when I come on the job and see something done bad, unless it's a safety issue I don't go ragging on about how the guy could have done a better job, or how I could have done a better job. I make it on my own merits, not by belittling others.

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Back when I first started in the field of carpentry I was really wet behind the ears. Not unlike a lot of guys.

We were framing up a house and I set 3 nails in the side of a king stud to nail the header lumber above a window. The boss came in after the wall was up and he pointed out that I split the stud. Showed me it wasn't holding much at all.

He was really upset but not so much to show me that you have 2" To set a framing nail from the end of a plate and how avoid lining up the nails for the headers. That you can set a nail with in a stud and keep it back from the edge an inch and a half. Not splitting the stud.

I was nervous at that time because he came off like he was going to throw me off the site. But I remembered his points about setting nails properly to this day. I also show others what he showed me.
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Vince Lombardi;

“Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence"
"The quality of a person's life is in direct proportion to their commitment to excellence, regardless of their chosen field of endeavor."

I think the biggest frustration for me has been watching anyone whom you KNOW has the potential, waste it or otherwise be a lazyazz.

Many years ago while training new techs for line work at a dealership, I would tell the newbies that they should make sure that if they did the job well then the speed would come and they would develop a system that would make them money down the road. Working book time on the line meant that if you did the job quickly you could rack up many more than 40 hrs a week, but if you did it sloppy and wrong, the correction would be back charged and you would end up losing money.
I think the same can be applied to anything one does, regardless of field.

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I find tasks to go quickest when Im working with things I previously built. I shoot almost everything up with a laser and am super fussy with even my pencil marks. I find the laser helps speed everything up as it frees up a set of hands, doesnt get in the way as a string would, and is always perfectly plumb. Its also nice knowing you can trust measuring off of it. Im not the boss, but am already sick of working with helpers where I cant trust their work. I think what ultimately slows a job down is shoddy work, it just makes everyone work harder than they need to. Ripping things on an angle is bs and not only that, it looks amateur. Sometimes its inevitable when working with existing structures though. Doing things in order is a big advantage too if your scheduling is set up properly and also completely finishing a certain job before moving forward. What do I know though Im just an employee...
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I forget who said it first..."Perfection is an unachievable goal. The illusion of perfection is the work of a true craftsman"....


Oh, wait, I said it first.

I like you're sig, as well.

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......... ripping things on an angle is bs and not only that, it looks amateur...
I think, amateur is when people can't figure out how to rip a few studs at an angle to make a nice nailer at intersection of the walls that are not at 90.
Sometimes I even see them with the piece making circles around the table saw, scratching their head and then after a few attempts and BS pieces of lumber they call it quits.
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I always get mad when I see someone doing a repetitive task like cutting doors or drilling wholes with the exact measurements on all the pieces & they dont have the sense to build a jig. Instead lets take out our tape 5000 times mark 5000 times . Put down tools pick them up ... Another one of my favorites is when the guy your working with has to use 4 or 5 electric powered tools on a specific task with in a 10' radius and does not have the sense to bust out a power strip or a three-way. No lets unplug and replug in every time we need to switch tools. I dont know I am just a stickler for on-site jigs. I use them from everything to marking fasteners to cutting massive loads of trim to pre-drilling and countersinking. you name it I have made a jig for it. Another one is when guys use the table-saw on the ground when they know they have a ton of rips. Take a half hour make an onsite bench out of some 2x4 and a sheet of ply for the table saw and the mitersaw and save yourself hours in the long run. Some people just dont get it sometimes i swear.

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well post some pics of the jigs you use so we don't pi$$ you off
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well post some pics of the jigs you use so we don't pi$$ you off
lol they usually get thrown away when im done with them.
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you wouldn't be the type to use a jig to make your jigs are you?
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Had to cut down 17 doors today all the same size. I had some factory ends from some left over AC ply. All the doors were 30" . Made a H looking jig with the inside dimension being 29 15/16 the 16th less makes the H jig fit very snug on the door so no clamping is necessary. Line the jig up flush with the bottom of the door put the fence of the circular saw blade up to the jig and cut away. All came out exactly the same with a factory cut. Took approximately 10 minutes if not less to cut them. Only had to measure the first one no tape or pencil for the rest.
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i do something similar with post columns,i still have the jig i think
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Measure twice. cut once. No mater how many times you measure it, that piece of wood aint gonna get any longer.
Don't measure unless you have to, that's what jigs are for. Even a spacer block is a jig.
When i do a kitchen, I make a single jig to do all the drawers and one for the doors. I label and save every one.
You can see a guys ingenuity in the jigs he creates. so you can get a good idea if he is going to work well with you. Yeah, you can buy jigs, but you need them in the moment, not Amazon 24hr delivery.

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I always get mad when I see someone doing a repetitive task like cutting doors or drilling wholes with the exact measurements on all the pieces & they dont have the sense to build a jig. Instead lets take out our tape 5000 times mark 5000 times . Put down tools pick them up ... Another one of my favorites is when the guy your working with has to use 4 or 5 electric powered tools on a specific task with in a 10' radius and does not have the sense to bust out a power strip or a three-way. No lets unplug and replug in every time we need to switch tools. I dont know I am just a stickler for on-site jigs. I use them from everything to marking fasteners to cutting massive loads of trim to pre-drilling and countersinking. you name it I have made a jig for it. Another one is when guys use the table-saw on the ground when they know they have a ton of rips. Take a half hour make an onsite bench out of some 2x4 and a sheet of ply for the table saw and the mitersaw and save yourself hours in the long run. Some people just dont get it sometimes i swear.
Totally agree! Just made a jig today for our cedar soffit job. It will make sure all my nails are in the exact same spot on every piece. Homeowner wants stainless nails visible. Took 10 minutes..but will make the finished product very uniform.
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if they're on your pay roll and your losing money on time wasted, why wouldn't you explain in detail or show or teach them how you want it to be done? i only had to whoop one or two boss's asses for being stupid and not being decisive enough for me to understand
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I always get mad when I see someone doing a repetitive task like cutting doors or drilling wholes with the exact measurements on all the pieces & they dont have the sense to build a jig. Instead lets take out our tape 5000 times mark 5000 times . Put down tools pick them up ... Another one of my favorites is when the guy your working with has to use 4 or 5 electric powered tools on a specific task with in a 10' radius and does not have the sense to bust out a power strip or a three-way. No lets unplug and replug in every time we need to switch tools. I dont know I am just a stickler for on-site jigs. I use them from everything to marking fasteners to cutting massive loads of trim to pre-drilling and countersinking. you name it I have made a jig for it. Another one is when guys use the table-saw on the ground when they know they have a ton of rips. Take a half hour make an onsite bench out of some 2x4 and a sheet of ply for the table saw and the mitersaw and save yourself hours in the long run. Some people just dont get it sometimes i swear.
Guys that won't spend the money on saw stands get me. My table saw and out feed can be set up in less than one minute. Miter saw maybe, thirty seconds. The good ones last forever too.

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