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Old 08-11-2019, 01:59 PM   #1
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I think I'm overthinking this. I may be overthinking whether I'm overthinking it too.

Building a bar top. It's done, it's lovely. They've decided that they want a "gate" in the counter where initially it was to just be an opening. Plenty of leftover material to make it. NBD.
What's different is they're asking for it to drop down and be able to be propped up. I've only ever done the classic "flip up" bar entrance. I've seen some hardware that looks like what I want, except that it'd have to be paired and you'd have to access the "unlock" button from both sides of the counter, which seems annoying as hell.

Should I just be using a piano hinge and a flip down stick? Should I be using a piano hinge on one side and a catch of some kind on the other?

Set me straight. Thanks.
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Old 08-11-2019, 02:25 PM   #2
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couple of issues from past experience.

if anyone leans on the drop down section it likely will not support their weight. ever seen a bar where someone isn't leaning on it???

can be VERY awkward trying to open it from either side.

we did manage to do it with a sliding bolt in the middle of the top.
you could just reach under from either side and drop down the top.

but it was awkward.

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Couldn't ever really find a decent solution for a locking mechanism.... so do what ya gotta do.



Find A pre-made SOLUTION?, would like to know.


Piano hinge of a proper size is the solution. Most other options have too much play or slop, making alignment in general and specifically the "lock", probklematic.


A really a solid solution?, worked for me LOL






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Check Richelieu ( Outwater hardware ) in Lincoln Park
They have a drop down brackets that is used in laundry rooms for a folding table.
When you lift up the lock releases and top can drop down
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That's what I had in mind, but Griz is scaring me a bit with the pressure issue.
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Does the bar top have a rail, and who's going to catch their leg on it first?

Also, who's going to want to reach down, lift it up and lock it? Having done that only once or twice/year for a drop-left table during holiday dinners, I can say that's it's aggravating.

Here's an idea...make it fold upward, then rotate 180....somehow.
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Couldn't ever really find a decent solution for a locking mechanism.... so do what ya gotta do.



Find A pre-made SOLUTION?, would like to know.


Piano hinge of a proper size is the solution. Most other options have too much play or slop, making alignment in general and specifically the "lock", probklematic.


A really a solid solution?, worked for me LOL







I was thinking of a similar locking solution, just not that complicated. A double rod connected by one long handle so it could be reached from both sides. 2 pieces of pipe slightly larger than locking rods to guide & carry the rods.
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This problem sucks.

I figured there would be tons of off the shelf solutions for this, but it appears there really aren't. Just a bunch of crappy catches and arms for drop leaf tables that aren't weight rated for the job.

Hmmmmmmmmm
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This problem sucks.

I figured there would be tons of off the shelf solutions for this, but it appears there really aren't. Just a bunch of crappy catches and arms for drop leaf tables that aren't weight rated for the job.

Hmmmmmmmmm
And thus the Rube Goldberg lock mechanism. Did wood because it was easier and cheaper than metal. Needed to have metal parts parts milled at a machine shop vs being able to pattern make out of wood.

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I'm picturing a large sliding bolt. Not that your way isn't much more aesthetically pleasing...
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I was thinking of a similar locking solution, just not that complicated. A double rod connected by one long handle so it could be reached from both sides. 2 pieces of pipe slightly larger than locking rods to guide & carry the rods.
whelp the wood latch pieces are tapered so it snugs up tight. Seemed best solution as they wanted a smooth continuous work surface.
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I'm picturing a large sliding bolt. Not that your way isn't much more aesthetically pleasing...
had little to do with pleasing rather functional-easy to lock as was all about making it solid. Need two locking points for that and could'nt come up with a better more elegant solution.
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After having visited Outwater(the parts superstore rrk mentioned above), I am astonished there isn't an off the shelf solution for this.

There's a mint to be made for one of us here. The current leading flip up mechanism is a tortion bar system that wholesales for f'n $500+
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After having visited Outwater(the parts superstore rrk mentioned above), I am astonished there isn't an off the shelf solution for this.

There's a mint to be made for one of us here. The current leading flip up mechanism is a tortion bar system that wholesales for f'n $500+
My magic mechanism retails for $499.95, CTalk discount: $500.01. I'll even throw free shipping and paraffin 'Wax' to lube to the sliding parts for you Easy!



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After having visited Outwater(the parts superstore rrk mentioned above), I am astonished there isn't an off the shelf solution for this.

There's a mint to be made for one of us here. The current leading flip up mechanism is a tortion bar system that wholesales for f'n $500+
Seriously dude, it dont have to be that hard. A couple pieces of conduit & a couple pieces of all thread to slide through the conduit sleeves.

I'll do a sketchup drawing of how I envision it later on.

Use a piano hinge on one side & a ledge on the other side for the tip up bar to land on. Then the latch underneath. 30 minute hack on the latch & $10 worth of parts.
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After having visited Outwater(the parts superstore rrk mentioned above), I am astonished there isn't an off the shelf solution for this.

There's a mint to be made for one of us here. The current leading flip up mechanism is a tortion bar system that wholesales for f'n $500+
Seriously dude, it dont have to be that hard. A couple pieces of conduit & a couple pieces of all thread to slide through the conduit sleeves.

I'll do a sketchup drawing of how I envision it later on.

Use a piano hinge on one side & a ledge on the other side for the tip up bar to land on. Then the latch underneath. 30 minute hack on the latch & $10 worth of parts.
And $100k of insurance when someone gets a scratch on their fingers
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And $100k of insurance when someone gets a scratch on their fingers
Same claim if they smash their finger closing the gate. Must suck living life in a bubble.

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That's the thing.

Ideally there would be something like the flip up mechanisms but just... upside down. I'd pay the $500 if it were guaranteed to work for the duration of the lease and able to be utilized by your typical wine store salesperson, who does not match the build of your typical contractor. No ouchies allowed.

I'll figure it out... probably not tonight though. I've had about enough of thinking about this.
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Seriously dude, it dont have to be that hard. A couple pieces of conduit & a couple pieces of all thread to slide through the conduit sleeves.

I'll do a sketchup drawing of how I envision it later on.

Use a piano hinge on one side & a ledge on the other side for the tip up bar to land on. Then the latch underneath. 30 minute hack on the latch & $10 worth of parts.
Seemed they specified drop "down" .... changes the animal. Hell I wouldn't have needed my fancy mechanism if there was a ledge to land the tip "up" bar on
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Could you use a strike from a door lockset, and mock up a lower profile handle to operate it from below? Kind of like a door mounted horizontally.

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