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Old 04-08-2018, 01:47 PM   #1
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For the cabinetmakers here:

How do you decide the width of rails for face frame cabinets?

3 or 4 drawers in a 36" high base?

Client specs? Minimum dimensions?
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Old 04-08-2018, 02:04 PM   #2
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I always thought the standard was 2-1/4"?
For the record, I don't build cabinets professionally, and for every custom one I've bid, I've been denied because of price... But every one was designed with 2-1/4" gave frames in mind.

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Cabinet rails and stiles I make 1-3/4" wide. 5 piece door or drawer rails and stiles I make 2-1/4"

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I make them 1 1/2"
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How 'bout the 3 or 4 drawers question?
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How 'bout the 3 or 4 drawers question?
Also depends on style... full overlay versus semi...

But as a standard, 1 1/2" rails... as to 3 or 4 drawers, it all depends on what's being stored... cutlery versus pots for example...
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All rails are made the same width. Number of openings does not matter.

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Apparently no standard.

FF inset I do 2" for the frame and 1 1/4" for the divider rails between the drawers.

Overlay which I rarely do is usually 1 1/2" all the way around on the lowers. On the uppers the top rail is wider, usually 4".

Usually 3 drawers in a 34 3/4" tall lower box. You can go to 4 in a frameless cabinet or a 1 1/2" rail system. That usually yields a 5 3/4" opening for the 4 drawer system.
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I want to make sure I can get 2 good pocket holes in a rail for how I build face frames. That's the limiting factor IMO. If I'm trying to keep cost down, less drawers is less $. If they have deep storage elsewhere, I'd do 4 drawers in a 36" cab because client can more likely overload a deep 36" drawer and have me out for a warranty call.
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...I'd do 4 drawers in a 36" cab because client can more likely overload a deep 36" drawer and have me out for a warranty call...
why would you build with failure in mind?
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He said he makes smaller drawers so they can't be overloaded preventing callbacks.
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He said he makes smaller drawers so they can't be overloaded preventing callbacks.
Didn't read it that way...

Still sounds confusing....
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Not worried about my clients overloading drawers. Blum Tandem slides and dovetail drawers aren't going anywhere.

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Not worried about my clients overloading drawers. Blum Tandem slides and dovetail drawers aren't going anywhere.

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Those look great. Just learning as I go. Still using cardboard drawer boxes and 3/4 extension side-mounts
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What I've learned is use good hardware.
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I do a lot of 4’ drawers under cooktops. Those get pots and pans normally. These drawers get 3/8” plywood bottoms with supports, 5/8” solid maple sides, 569H slides instead of 563H slides and slide balance systems.

As Leo said, dovetails and good hardware.

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Agreed... And more than a couple of screws like I see most use...

Only had one callback for Blum glides over the years... unfortunately it was when I learned that the lifetime warranty is in essence bogus as they shift all the costs onto the business that installed it...

To make a warranty claim, they want you to ship it back to be examined, at your cost (which costs almost as much as the glide), to determine if the glide failed, and IF it's determined the glide failed, then they will provide a new one... in the meantime, you've been to the customer, removed the glide, and unless you want to go back AGAIN after getting a replacement, you've replaced it with a new one at your cost... so you are basically underwriting their warranty... and the kicker is, it's not the cost of the glide, but the amount of hourly revenue you lose dealing with it...

The one saving grace, told my supplier about it, and they said if it ever happens again, they'd replace it...

Still an excellent product, but that left a sour taste in my mouth... apparently, we (us and our supplier) treat our customers better than they do...
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I don't deal with Blum. I deal with my supplier. If something fails, they deal with me.

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