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Old 05-19-2012, 02:50 PM   #1
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I have 8 6x6 columns that I am going to wrap in azek. Then I am going to add 2 1/2" outside corners, as well as base and top trim.

My question is the outside corners. I would have purchased the ready made outside azek corners, but I was going to have to rip down both sides anyways, to 2 1/2". Instead I purchased 4x8 sheets. Material cost savings was a couple hundred dollars. The question is whether I rip the corner pieces to miter, or butt. Obviously, I think that the butts would be much easier to make up, but looks are important as well.

These are for exterior columns that will have a lexan roof over the top.
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I was on a job last week that had 6x6 column wraps that were made on a cnc. They were probably 1/2" pvc and came with the edges pre mitered. This came as one piece and you fold it around the column after you apply glue to the miters. Gus posted a video once showing a similar system using plywood wraps. The corners on these came out absolutely perfect. I am sure someone here has seen them or knows what they are called.

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i use versatex versawrap for column wraps.... it is so fast, you will be happy and it uses lock miters...
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The problem with square butts is the unfinished edge. I always miter the corners and trim the recessed panel with a base cap detail to cover the raw edges.

I've been working with pre-manufactured products from Intex. They are a local manufacturer, but have a chain of distribution.

http://www.intexmillwork.com/

The column wraps come in two pieces with lock miter details and the cap and base wraps are miter folded. Even the base cap trim is precut to finish the collar and the units are shipped with tubes of Christy's for the assembly.

Check out their line of products. I believe they will also reproduce architecturally correct pieces if you provide a model.
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Unfortunately, their distribution channel doesn't seem to extend to No. Calif.

If they are who I think they are, I saw them at a Gary Katz roadshow, and the rep told me that they had no local dealers. The column wraps were a great idea.

I'm really just getting into using azek for something other then siding trim.

Is that unfinished edge easily sandable, or even planed?

I've looked that the Azek corners and they have a locking profile. Is there a router bit that could be used for this?

Sanding, plaining, or routering are probably easier for me to do, then straight mitering. I have a track saw that I was going to use for ripping the sheets. If I miter, I would have to continuously change the saw miter. In hindsight, I should have just purchase 1x6's and ripped the miter down the middle. Next time.
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Unfortunately, their distribution channel doesn't seem to extend to No. Calif.

If they are who I think they are, I saw them at a Gary Katz roadshow, and the rep told me that they had no local dealers. The column wraps were a great idea.

I'm really just getting into using azek for something other then siding trim.

Is that unfinished edge easily sandable, or even planed?

I've looked that the Azek corners and they have a locking profile. Is there a router bit that could be used for this?

Sanding, plaining, or routering are probably easier for me to do, then straight mitering. I have a track saw that I was going to use for ripping the sheets. If I miter, I would have to continuously change the saw miter. In hindsight, I should have just purchase 1x6's and ripped the miter down the middle. Next time.
Planing Azek is possible, but you won't really achieve much more of a finished edge than you would with a quality blade in a good table saw. The key is a consistent feed rate. If the material heats up, it will expand on the blade and leave a kerf mark.

As far as router bits with lock miters, they are available. The issue I've found with PVC material is a less than perfect thickness throughout any given piece. I've seen cases of more than 1/16" variation in an 18' length. This creates inconsistent edges when beveling. You need to have a sense of humor with this material. Even with a full lapped or rabbeted corner, the variation in thickness plays a role.

Sanding the raw edges will create an acceptable surface that will help to seal out dirt, but painting is the best option for a consistent finish. PVC holds paint very well, if the application is done properly.
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If you do miter, be careful on the edges. I just wrapped some 4 x 4 posts and didn't even know i cut my hand a few times.
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i use the strapping tape technique with mitered edges,works great for pvc
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If you do miter, be careful on the edges. I just wrapped some 4 x 4 posts and didn't even know i cut my hand a few times.
The best way I've found to knock the sharp edges down is to use a utility knife, dragging the blade backwards down the corner to ease the edge over. This also helps to close any slight gaps that exist between the two pieces. This works best while the material is slightly softened by the solvent based glue.
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If you do miter, be careful on the edges. I just wrapped some 4 x 4 posts and didn't even know i cut my hand a few times.
Yeah, I was routering some trim last week and got a paper cut on my finger, from the azek. It never bled, but it is still sore, 4 days later.
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i use the strapping tape technique with mitered edges,works great for pvc
Tom, are you using mechanical fastners, or glue only? Did you miter your own corners?
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The company we got the column wraps from also ships velcro straps with the package that have a D ring on one end. They work great for cinching the corners up snug. Once the Christy's grabs hold, the straps are removed, edges burnished with the knife blade and collars and base installed.
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The company we got the column wraps from also ships velcro straps with the package that have a D ring on one end. They work great for cinching the corners up snug. Once the Christy's grabs hold, the straps are removed, edges burnished with the knife blade and collars and base installed.
So, no mechanical fasteners (nails). How about mitered trim, glue only?
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So, no mechanical fasteners (nails). How about mitered trim, glue only?
I will use 18 gauge stainless brads to tame an unruly miter if need be. We've been getting premanufactured window and door trims from the same company. Everything is square butts with pocket screws and PVC cement. 15 gauge nails to attach them to the wall, or they can be ordered with a preinstalled nailing flange as an option.
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Tom, are you using mechanical fastners, or glue only? Did you miter your own corners?
glue only on these post caps Mark,just 45 run through the table saw
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i use versatex versawrap for column wraps.... it is so fast, you will be happy and it uses lock miters...
I don't think it is a lock miter, I forget the technical term for it, but yeah, its fast and they come out flawless. They even come with glue and straps.....this does not really help him of course b/c he is looking to make a recessed panel kinda look.





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There is different ways I make post wraps from PVC sheet materials. I use butt joints (brads and glue) if I'm covering the corners with trim. I'll mitre the corners on a 45 if they are finished white or painted. The Versatex system has a locking router profile as per picture attached below. I don't think you could buy the router bits off the shelf.
I make all kinds of trim bases and tops from routered PVC sheet. You can buy various profiles from a Gossen distributor but the local one only has a few profiles stocked. The one project I needed trim for they wanted me to order 5,000 L Ft. min.
I also make my own corner trim from PVC hollow extrusions. The picture is 1" x 1" square cut on a table saw. There is also all kinds of polyurethane trims you could add from Focal Point or Spectis.
Nothing works better than Mitrebond glue for small cellular PVC trim pieces. Make 3 sides in shop and attach last piece on sight. Long pieces take too long to align and the glue bonds too fast. It bonds in 10 seconds and is very solid. Watch glueing your fingers as it is like super glue. Not sure where you get it in USA.
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Here is some pictures. Last post max'd out. Also, some links that may be helpful. All my PVC sheet comes from Royal Building Products. Similar to Azek or Versatex.
http://www.gossencorp.com/cs-profiles.php
http://www.focalpointap.com/products/115
http://spectis.com/
http://www.mitrebond.ca/
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Reviving an old thread because I have an exterior trim job coming in the next month or so. My research on materials keeps leading me to Azek. I saw another thread discussing lawsuits against Azek. Whats the current choice for exterior trim is Azek on or off the list?

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