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Old 03-14-2013, 06:04 AM   #1
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Basements have been plagued by various types of water issues for many years. In the leaking problem, water may slip in through unbelievable opening, such as walls, floor, or joints between them. Now and again water may even pass from side to side concrete, and many make basement awfully dumb.

So my question is what should I do in this condition.

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Old 03-14-2013, 06:27 AM   #2
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Call a waterproofing company.
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Basements have been plagued by various types of water issues for many years. In the leaking problem, water may slip in through unbelievable opening, such as walls, floor, or joints between them. Now and again water may even pass from side to side concrete, and many make basement awfully dumb.

So my question is what should I do in this condition.

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First make sure and take care of the few common issues (which are in most cases, is the cause for a wet basement condition) won't solve the problem... then do your thing, and waterproof
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First make sure and take care of the few common issues (which are in most cases, is the cause for a wet basement condition) won't solve the problem... then do your thing, and waterproof
Hi greg,

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Water wil flow through the easiest path. Create a path that can be controlled/collected. Waterproofing is not an effective long term solution. Sooner or later, it will find a way through.

I'm a big believer in putting lateral drain pipes through the footer, & then collecting on the inside of wall. If done correctly, it eliminates pressure on the outside of the wall, & hence leaks through the wall.
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cracked foundations leak even with drain systems. Poured walls leak from cracks off the window openings, foundation settlement, pipe openings, improperly poured foundation walls.

A leaky block foundation is the worst repair.

Best system is drainage plus waterproofing plus proper landscaping and downspouts.
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First make sure and take care of the few common issues (which are in most cases, is the cause for a wet basement condition) won't solve the problem... then do your thing, and waterproof

I got it, Thanks for advice
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I'm a big believer in putting lateral drain pipes through the footer, & then collecting on the inside of wall. If done correctly, it eliminates pressure on the outside of the wall, & hence leaks through the wall.
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My mind-set is the direct opposite. I do not want to collect the outside water,invite it inside,only to figure out how to pump it back out. Along with this method comes a whole host of problems,for one,power outages and faild pumps. My first choice,build on high ground,not marginal lots and run drain tile to day light. Gravity never fails us. If that is not possible,install exterior sump basin and pump. I'm not a big fan of inviting the water inside if it can be avoided.
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My mind-set is the direct opposite. I do not want to collect the outside water,invite it inside,only to figure out how to pump it back out. Along with this method comes a whole host of problems,for one,power outages and faild pumps. My first choice,build on high ground,not marginal lots and run drain tile to day light. Gravity never fails us. If that is not possible,install exterior sump basin and pump. I'm not a big fan of inviting the water inside if it can be avoided.
Everyone wants to be on the high ground, but not everyone is fortunate enough to have that option. I take my house for instance, No matter how many regional floods we had, my pump never kicked in and my basement is 7'+ in the ground. If I dig a 12" hole and pour 5 gallons of water into the hole, the water will peculate as if a drain is installed. Some places you pour water into the hole and it will be sitting there 3 days later.

I just build a few homes and if you go 4.5' deep, you hit seasonal high water table, placing the footing right on top of it, and 4" for the floor slab it brings you 12"+ above the water table...
In some cases you can install a dry-well on the property and divert all the water there, but in this case it had to go inside the basement and pumped out to the day light...which is a standard way of doing that to release hydrostatic pressure from your foundation wall.
There is nothing wrong with doing that, other then what you mentioned the power going out... But if you do a soil test before excavation, and you place your basement floor at the right elevation and above seasonal high water table, you will not have any problems.
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Everyone wants to be on the high ground, but not everyone is fortunate enough to have that option. I take my house for instance, No matter how many regional floods we had, my pump never kicked in and my basement is 7'+ in the ground. If I dig a 12" hole and pour 5 gallons of water into the hole, the water will peculate as if a drain is installed. Some places you pour water into the hole and it will be sitting there 3 days later.

I just build a few homes and if you go 4.5' deep, you hit seasonal high water table, placing the footing right on top of it, and 4" for the floor slab it brings you 12"+ above the water table...
In some cases you can install a dry-well on the property and divert all the water there, but in this case it had to go inside the basement and pumped out to the day light...which is a standard way of doing that to release hydrostatic pressure from your foundation wall.
There is nothing wrong with doing that, other then what you mentioned the power going out... But if you do a soil test before excavation, and you place your basement floor at the right elevation and above seasonal high water table, you will not have any problems.



There may be some confusion as to what i was advocating. I never mentioned a dry well.My point is a conventional sump basin and conventional sump pump,difference being they are located outside,not in basment or crawl space.
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There may be some confusion as to what i was advocating. I never mentioned a dry well.My point is a conventional sump basin and conventional sump pump,difference being they are located outside,not in basment or crawl space.
I know what you advocated, but the reason why they bring the outside perimeter drain through the footer, is to release hydrostatic pressure from foundation wall. Doing just a pipe and placing pipe around the footing on the inside will only help with underground water. Doing perimeter drain on the exterior will help move water which is coming from the roof, etc on the outside.
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I guess i still am misunderstood. I concur with you 100% with the tile on outside. What i mean is the tile,sump basin and sump pump are all located outside the building shell.
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I guess i still am misunderstood. I concur with you 100% with the tile on outside. What i mean is the tile,sump basin and sump pump are all located outside the building shell.
I figured that what you meant, but thats not a standard practice around here, as a matter a fact, I never seen being done that way and I been doing this almost 30 yrs.
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I figured that what you meant, but thats not a standard practice around here, as a matter a fact, I never seen being done that way and I been doing this almost 30 yrs.




I will agree with you it is not common. A number of years ago,maybe 6 JLC printed a book about best practices. In that book they listed all the places the components could be purchased (most were quite common) Also,in that book they talked about a sump pump used for back up that was powered by municipal water supply (never have to worry about power failure) I have never used one of those yet though. Have installed about 8-9 of the exterior systems since reading the JLC book.
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Common here.... Do you pump storm/ground water into the sewer?
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Basements have been plagued by various types of water issues for many years. In the leaking problem, water may slip in through unbelievable opening, such as walls, floor, or joints between them. Now and again water may even pass from side to side concrete, and many make basement awfully dumb.

So my question is what should I do in this condition.

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If you have an existing block foundation and you already have a sum pump pit, there a few things you can do to get rid of water issue... First make sure the outside conditions are not the cause for your issues,i.e gutters are clean and water is not over-floating during hard rain, leaders have extensions and divert water away from foundation. Grading is not back-pitched and collecting water near foundation, etc.

If it looks good, and there is still issues, you do something like this, I've done this for a few customers and it is an approved engineering method.
If anyone remembers, when we use to install French drains and water would collect inside the block, we would puncture the block bellow the slab to release the water into a French drain and it will flow into the sump pit... keeping the block dry.

This is basically the same thing, here is a detail sketch I did for the customer.
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Near where I live there is a house 5yrs old built on top of a mountain, unfortunately on top of a spring. They built it in the summer, but for some reason the water problem is only in the winter. They have 6 sump pumps and a propane backup generator. It It looks like a river coming out from that house in the winter, and they are right at the ridge.

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