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Old 07-24-2014, 01:20 AM   #1
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sprinkler fitters get done adding a new head they leave , 30 minutes later drops of water start dripping from joint , moments later pipe joint completely fails , no one in building knows how to shut off water , water runs full blast for 30 minutes , 4-5 inches of water on floor . 15th floor of a 22 story building . I was standing 6 ft infront of pipe when it blew full blast right to the mouth . trying to put bucket under drops of water before it blew apart, that was the 2nd grossest water I ever drank. millions of dollars worth of damage .

every hallway and stairway gutted from 15 floor and down a couple complete condo gut outs .
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i didn't do it
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Can you imagine the mess it will be if they get it in the code book to do sprinklers in new homes like they would like.
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Time to go into the sprinkler business. lol
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I've heard of the glass bulk sprinkler heads coming defective. A job a was working on had one that was leaking pretty bad, but didn't blow.

On the same job, a guy stuffed a box full of linseed oil soaked rags that combusted the same night. That water is NASTY stuff.

Was this an actual joint in the pipes or the head?
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Can you imagine the mess it will be if they get it in the code book to do sprinklers in new homes like they would like.
It is in the current IRC (International Residential Code) which most of the U.S. is using now and it also applies to additions over a certain size or if so much of the existing walls and ceilings are opened up (depends on the local's rules).

It's a giant rip off, unneeded (because of the ubiquity of smoke alarms), lots of times the meter has to be upped which means the street has to be torn up to bring in a larger water line and the systems have to be tested periodically adding another expense to the homeowner.............
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It is in the current IRC (International Residential Code) which most of the U.S. is using now and it also applies to additions over a certain size or if so much of the existing walls and ceilings are opened up (depends on the local's rules).

It's a giant rip off, unneeded (because of the ubiquity of smoke alarms), lots of times the meter has to be upped which means the street has to be torn up to bring in a larger water line and the systems have to be tested periodically adding another expense to the homeowner.............
It is not adopted into the local code here yet, still being fought against.
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It's a giant rip off, unneeded (because of the ubiquity of smoke alarms), lots of times the meter has to be upped which means the street has to be torn up to bring in a larger water line and the systems have to be tested periodically adding another expense to the homeowner.............
And in rural America, there are no streets or waterlines. Good luck with that.
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And in rural America, there are no streets or waterlines. Good luck with that.
Pressure tank dry system.
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Sure, or just require that every new house be equipped with a 20,000 gallon water tower. Give me a break.
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Sure, or just require that every new house be equipped with a 20,000 gallon water tower. Give me a break.
Consider yourself lucky that you will probably be dead from old age before it's mandated....but sadly for all of us that may not be all that long.
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Sure, or just require that every new house be equipped with a 20,000 gallon water tower. Give me a break.
From what I've heard that is what is basically being required where the jurisdictions are forcing compliance. The fire sprinkler lobby paid off the code council and this is the result.

All of these organizations and bureaucracies have one goal, to grow like giant tumors on the world we work in, to be ever more intrusive and ever more demanding with the cost be damned.
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It is not adopted into the local code here yet, still being fought against.

Yeah in the last bastion of AMERICA! We don't need no sprinklers.
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I've heard of the glass bulk sprinkler heads coming defective. A job a was working on had one that was leaking pretty bad, but didn't blow.

On the same job, a guy stuffed a box full of linseed oil soaked rags that combusted the same night. That water is NASTY stuff.

Was this an actual joint in the pipes or the head?
the building im guessing was built in the mid 70s using the iron pipe , but this remodel they used that orange plastic pipe not sure why they didn't just use iron , the joint itself failed not sure why but they are examining it at some laboratory last I heard . feel bad for them one of the units that needs gutting was just remodeled a few years ago .
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It is in the current IRC (International Residential Code) which most of the U.S. is using now and it also applies to additions over a certain size or if so much of the existing walls and ceilings are opened up (depends on the local's rules).

It's a giant rip off, unneeded (because of the ubiquity of smoke alarms), lots of times the meter has to be upped which means the street has to be torn up to bring in a larger water line and the systems have to be tested periodically adding another expense to the homeowner.............
I just did a 2000 sq. ft. Whole house remodel that include adding a master bed, bath and hallway. It had to be sprinklered. They only had to run from the Meter, 1-1/4". The whole enchilada was 4800 bucks. That included everything but the supply, which my plumber did.
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From what I've been told if the meter is 3/4" which is very common on older houses then it won't be big enough and they'll have to go up to at least a 1" meter. When they do that they have to bring in a 1" line from the main to the meter.
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From what I've been told if the meter is 3/4" which is very common on older houses then it won't be big enough and they'll have to go up to at least a 1" meter. When they do that they have to bring in a 1" line from the main to the meter.
I don't have a meter or a main like Tin. Actually I'm about 15 miles away from a main.

I got buckets and a hose, this whole code thing is more than a little out of line. Going to kill the industry in the language of "safety".
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From what I've been told if the meter is 3/4" which is very common on older houses then it won't be big enough and they'll have to go up to at least a 1" meter. When they do that they have to bring in a 1" line from the main to the meter.
You were misinformed.
Water meters for fire suppression are a totally different animal.
Fire suppression meters cannot restrict water flow by more than 50%, despite being clogged with miscellaneous debris common in water lines: rocks, sediment, etc. Due to this fact, they require a basket strainer. Also, fire suppression meters START at 3" and go up from there.

If the meter is going to do double duty, fire suppression and drinking water, it will need to be two meters in one, such as a Neptune Protectus Water Meter.

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