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Old 01-06-2010, 03:17 PM   #141
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[quote=buddy110;844251]First, please explain why bear, coyote and wolves SHOULD be hunted. Food? Can you eat a wolf? Protection? Was the animal encroaching on your property and engangering your livestock or family?

You can (and I do) eat bear, also mountain lion is edible.

The reason for hunting predators is to maintain balance between predators and prey animals.

A perfect example is the wolves in and around Yellowstone NP, before wolf reintroduction into YNP the elk were overpopulated because no hunting is allowed in the park. The wolves now have the elk population at a natural balance (good thing).

The bad part is, wolves don't care about park boundries and they follow the prey into the adjoining states and prey on livestock and pets. We hunt those wolves to control their population and to give them a healthy fear of humans.

The world class hunting around the borders of YNP is seriously in trouble because of wolf predation, that has a huge economical impact to those local communities.
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First, please explain why bear, coyote and wolves SHOULD be hunted. Food? Can you eat a wolf? Protection? Was the animal encroaching on your property and engangering your livestock or family?

You can (and I do) eat bear, also mountain lion is edible.

The reason for hunting predators is to maintain balance between predators and prey animals.

A perfect example is the wolves in and around Yellowstone NP, before wolf reintroduction into YNP the elk were overpopulated because no hunting is allowed in the park. The wolves now have the elk population at a natural balance (good thing).

The bad part is, wolves don't care about park boundries and they follow the prey into the adjoining states and prey on livestock and pets. We hunt those wolves to control their population and to give them a healthy fear of humans.

The world class hunting around the borders of YNP is seriously in trouble because of wolf predation, that has a huge economical impact to those local communities.

Ahhhh now your getting somewhere.... The truth is we never would have had to reintroduce the wolves had man not eradicated them in the first place. That balance thing again. The wolves and the predator/prey relationship was just fine all on it's own and the balance was in harmony with nature. Man stepped in and screwed that all up.

So why SHOULD we hunt wolves and Coyote again?
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So why SHOULD we hunt wolves and Coyote again?
Because we can.

It's really just as simple as that. This whole thread is simply a never-ending unwinnable argument; the "right" answer is based almost wholly on emotion rather than logic.

While you're saving those wolves and coyotes, don't forget about houseflies and tapeworms.
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Because we can.

It's really just as simple as that. This whole thread is simply a never-ending unwinnable argument; the "right" answer is based almost wholly on emotion rather than logic.

While you're saving those wolves and coyotes, don't forget about houseflies and tapeworms.
I can do al lot of things doesn't mean I should. I could sleep with your wife or GF. Should I?
Sorry but that's a weak argument
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I can do al lot of things doesn't mean I should. I could sleep with your wife or GF. Should I?
Sorry but that's a weak argument
Should you? It's up to you to weigh the ramifications and make your own decision.

I hunt for a variety of reasons, and the moment of the kill is only a very tiny part of the whole picture. But I will not presume to tell you that you should--unless in tough times you come and try to take that food from my table.

Yes, man can and has hunted given species to extinction. That's part of the whole planetary evolutionary process. There is no morality in that process, it just is. And it will continue long after wolves, coyotes and Man are gone.

That's no argument, either strong or weak. It's just a fact.
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So why SHOULD we hunt wolves and Coyote again?
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Because we can.
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Should you? It's up to you to weigh the ramifications and make your own decision.

I hunt for a variety of reasons, and the moment of the kill is only a very tiny part of the whole picture. But I will not presume to tell you that you should--unless in tough times you come and try to take that food from my table.

Yes, man can and has hunted given species to extinction. That's part of the whole planetary evolutionary process. There is no morality in that process, it just is. And it will continue long after wolves, coyotes and Man are gone.

That's no argument, either strong or weak. It's just a fact.
You said we should because we can. That's a weak argument. You want to so you do which is your prerogitve.
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You said we should because we can. That's a weak argument. You want to so you do which is your prerogitve.
Actually, it's not an argument at all. I could certainly make a very strong argument based upon that statement, but this thread has long gone past having any real point.
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We SHOULD hunt coyotes and wolves because if the population of these predators is not controlled they will lose their natural fear of man.

In California (where they ban hunting coyotes) they have attacked pets and children. In the southern mountains, pet owners cannot let their pets outside unsupervised lest a coyote eat them.

We control the numbers of predator and prey to have them both flourish along with people. We are a part of the ecosystem now, whether or not you like it.

We can have livestock, skiing, logging......etc, and still have record numbers of game animals on our planet. That is a testament to our ability to use a resource and save it at the same time.

You can bet the Indians (whoops...Native Americans) hunted predators long before the evil white man came along.
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I do not hunt myself.....Allthough I did when I was younger...... Deer don't piss me off. I eat venison and would poach If I needed to feed my family.
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Actually, it's not an argument at all. I could certainly make a very strong argument based upon that statement, but this thread has long gone past having any real point.
Point is its fun to call up a coyote with a "rabbit in distress" call and put a fast, small caliber round through his head.


Don't make me a man, but it sure is fun.
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that was the first and only thing i ''killed'' with a gun...a bunny rabbit

me and a buddy were shooting his dads ruger 22 in the sand pit,we were just kids maybe 12

i saw the bunny about 30 ft away and shot....thing screamed and cried like a baby,,,,took about 10 shots to finally quiet it

that was the last thing i ever or ever will shoot at

but that's just me
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We SHOULD hunt coyotes and wolves because if the population of these predators is not controlled they will lose their natural fear of man.

In California (where they ban hunting coyotes) they have attacked pets and children. In the southern mountains, pet owners cannot let their pets outside unsupervised lest a coyote eat them.

We control the numbers of predator and prey to have them both flourish along with people. We are a part of the ecosystem now, whether or not you like it.

We can have livestock, skiing, logging......etc, and still have record numbers of game animals on our planet. That is a testament to our ability to use a resource and save it at the same time.

You can bet the Indians (whoops...Native Americans) hunted predators long before the evil white man came along.
I understand hunting for protection. I have no problem with that.
The American Indians hunted for food and clothing and NOTHING else. Don't try to compare what you do for fun with what they did for survival
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some "native americans" killed and ate other native americans...don't talk like you know ****
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some "native americans" killed and ate other native americans...don't talk like you know ****
That's because they tasted like chicken
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mmmmm chicken!
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I understand hunting for protection. I have no problem with that.
The American Indians hunted for food and clothing and NOTHING else. Don't try to compare what you do for fun with what they did for survival
I am not comparing what I do for fun (and it is FUN) to survival for "Native Americans".

I am trying to explain that if the predator and prey are not managed, we will lose both.

We have healthy herds of game animals and predators because of our wildlife management policies, which includes hunting.

Sportsmen have contributed hundreds of millions of dollars to wildlife management. We put our money where our mouth is

If you love to see wolves, coyotes, deer, bear, elk, wild turkeys, ducks, geese, rabbits, etc......You should thank hunters, not condemn them
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I would venture to say, I do more on my own personal property annually to aid wildlife, than a lot of antihunters do in their lifetime.
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I would venture to say, I do more on my own personal property annually to aid wildlife, than a lot of antihunters do in their lifetime.

you and me both brother.. Granted yeah i kill but ya know what i also release about 300 pheasants a year just for example of one of the things i do..

If you wanna hunt you have to conserve IMO
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I have a strong opinion on this topic. I don't consider myself poor and don't have to kill directly to feed myself. I say kill directly because every piece of bacon, every hamburger, all chicken nuggets you eat means something, somewhere had to be killed by someone. Here we are, contractors, putting a roof over our heads and food on our table in an industry that thrives on expansion yet you speak to condemn those that live in the wildlife habitat and take away their natural places or refuge? Look up the numbers on which organizations contribute money on wildlife habitat restoration. You will find that PETA spends million and millions of dollars fighting to keep hunters out of the woods while organizations like Ducks Unlimited, Rocky Mt Elk Foundation, National Wildlife Federation, The Sierra Club... spend the same amount of money actively protecting habitat and purchasing property and placed in conservancies for protection and enjoyment.

I by no means advocate using our four legged friends for target practice. That is sick, wasteful, and murder in my opinion. I have harvested, not killed, many different species of wild game ranging from fish to birds and several in between. Every one I have harvested have gone to my table and fed my family. I am thankful for every minute I am able to spend in the woods, I am respectful of the habitat and of the wildlife.
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Well put Calvin. Totaly agree with you. I too have donated to the Canadian Wildlife Fund for over 30 yrs. and support responsible hunting.

My origional objection was the unecessary killing of a wolf. As you put it - for target practice. Or as one poster said 'because I can' This is sick.

I believe most responsible hunters do eat what they hunt. I know here, to leave a carcass in the woods is a serious offense.

I hope this thread got some people thinking about why they do what they do, and perhaps become one of the 'responsible' hunters.

It wasn't my intention to start a hunting vs. non-hunting thread. More about senceless killing that some do to try and make them feel manlike.

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