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Old 10-17-2014, 04:56 PM   #6561
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Yeah, who wants to live where everyone wants to go visit, a place with clean air, paint brush horizons, hot women and hotter waves, great deep sea fishing, warm, but not too warm, nice trades blowing, rustling palms, warm water but once again not too warm (like the gulf of Mexico where the water can be over 90). Who would want to be there in the winter, it's just too comfortable, makes ya soft, like a pig that's been cooked in palm leaves for three days!

Geez, what's the problem? Move there. I moved to US from Russia, with no papers and no money by myself, a 20 year old kid, moving to a different state, sheesh big deal))
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Could probably be done no problem if we talking about some chip barn with 1x8 spring board for fascia that's gonna be wrapped with aluminum and where the run of the roof from the wall is short enough not to butcher it really bad. Totally not what we are doing. I'll try to find a picture of my standard.
My tails are cut straight and plumb, my fascia is either beveled or dropped to plane with the roof sheeting, the fascia is 2x and yes it sometimes get covered with aluminum and sometimes with composite trim. I've never built a "chip barn" but I have built a couple multi-million homes and all my tails were cut from the top plate and all the fascia was installed while myself and others were on the top plate.

Just because I don't use the same methods you use doesn't mean that I build chit it just means that I do things differently than you do.
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My tails are cut straight and plumb, my fascia is either beveled or dropped to plane with the roof sheeting, the fascia is 2x and yes it sometimes get covered with aluminum and sometimes with composite trim. I've never built a "chip barn" but I have built a couple multi-million homes and all my tails were cut from the top plate and all the fascia was installed while myself and others were on the top plate. Just because I don't use the same methods you use doesn't mean that I build chit it just means that I do things differently than you do.
So, you did install subfascia and fascia from the roof top and then what happened to the soffit? I would imagine that if there's subfascia and fascia there's gotta be some sort of soffit' right?

Do you really find it comfortable reaching and aligning the bevel cut joints on PVC trim? How big is the soffit? I do try to learn whatever works, so that I don't look like fool one day saying that I've been doing it certain way for 30 years just because that's how everybody was doing it.
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So, you did install subfascia and fascia from the roof top and then what happened to the soffit? I would imagine that if there's subfascia and fascia there's gotta be some sort of soffit' right? Do you really find it comfortable reaching and aligning the bevel cut joints on PVC trim? How big is the soffit? I do try to learn whatever works, so that I don't look like fool one day saying that I've been doing it certain way for 30 years just because that's how everybody was doing it.
Sub fascia is installed from the top plate, finish fascia is installed when the siding and soffit is put up. That is done off staging.
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Sub fascia is installed from the top plate, finish fascia is installed when the siding and soffit is put up. That is done off staging.
So, what you are saying is that is not part of your framing to install finish trim, that's why you don't bother with all the staging and all, over here though in most companies that I know we include the fascia and soffit into framing, that's why for me it would make no sense to fudge around on my knees trying to make somewhat decent cuts on tails and install the subfascia off the roof only to later go and set up for fascia and soffit and deal with all the imperfections.

I set up once and do it all, tails, subfascia and trim at the comfort of my face height.
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Yeah, who wants to live where everyone wants to go visit, a place with clean air, paint brush horizons, hot women and hotter waves, great deep sea fishing, warm, but not too warm, nice trades blowing, rustling palms, warm water but once again not too warm (like the gulf of Mexico where the water can be over 90). Who would want to be there in the winter, it's just too comfortable, makes ya soft, like a pig that's been cooked in palm leaves for three days!
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I think carpenters make 40 to 50 an hour there
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So, what you are saying is that is not part of your framing to install finish trim, that's why you don't bother with all the staging and all, over here though in most companies that I know we include the fascia and soffit into framing, that's why for me it would make no sense to fudge around on my knees trying to make somewhat decent cuts on tails and install the subfascia off the roof only to later go and set up for fascia and soffit and deal with all the imperfections. I set up once and do it all, tails, subfascia and trim at the comfort of my face height.
Correct, soffit and finish fascia are not part of framing - that is done later.
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Correct, soffit and finish fascia are not part of framing - that is done later.
Not here. We also frame and trim all the rakes on gables, PVC crown molding etc before standing them up.
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I think carpenters make 40 to 50 an hour there
Still not enough. They rank the worst place to live in regards to cost of living. 157% of the national average.
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Idk what types of homes your are building, but there is no way a practice like that would fly pretty well with any of the high end homes in MA wether it has a soffit or not.
Go to Hawaii, check out their traditional building practices. Ours derive from Europe, theirs is Polynesian, and China / Japan have their own.

Way more interesting than box building.
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Could probably be done no problem if we talking about some chip barn with 1x8 spring board for fascia that's gonna be wrapped with aluminum and where the run of the roof from the wall is short enough not to butcher it really bad.

Totally not what we are doing. I'll try to find a picture of my standard.
None of our fascia is wrapped. It's all PT 2x8-10 or 2x12

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Sorry, I just can't believe you can do that to a 10 mil home.
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I set up once and do it all, tails, subfascia and trim at the comfort of my face height.
Eveytime I do it like you from under at face hight I get a face full of saw dust and I think that sucks!
So i hate a face full od sawdust from cutting tails at face level....BOT

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None of our fascia is wrapped. It's all PT 2x8-10 or 2x12

Why not

Eveytime I do it like you from under at face hight I get a face full of saw dust and I think that sucks!
So i hate a face full od sawdust from cutting tails at face level....BOT

Gas is 4.02 a gal and a hotdog at costco is 1.50$ The Ahi Poke is fresh and 16.95 a lb. and the Sam Adams is about a dollar.
Gas is $2.95 here and we usually have some of the highest gas prices in the us.

But that's not the cost if living. Weren't you saving a few days ago about how expensive even small homes are in your neck of the wood.
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Nope, just cleaning up the mess from electricians running network cabling.

I ended up doing Thursday morning until 4pm on Friday. Got it kicked in the ass and the client was happy and completely oblivious.
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Gas is $2.95 here and we usually have some of the highest gas prices in the us.

But that's not the cost if living. Weren't you saving a few days ago about how expensive even small homes are in your neck of the wood.
Yes homes are expensive. But i pay the same for a lot of things that you do, some maybe less.
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Go to Hawaii, check out their traditional building practices. Ours derive from Europe, theirs is Polynesian, and China / Japan have their own. Way more interesting than box building.
A lot of differences also derive from climate conditions, like if you compare the building practices in Florida with New England it's quite far apart.
The homes gat we build though a pretty cut up.
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None of our fascia is wrapped. It's all PT 2x8-10 or 2x12 Why not Eveytime I do it like you from under at face hight I get a face full of saw dust and I think that sucks! So i hate a face full od sawdust from cutting tails at face level....BOT Gas is 4.02 a gal and a hotdog at costco is 1.50$ The Ahi Poke is fresh and 16.95 a lb. and the Sam Adams is about a dollar.
Our fascia is 1x10 PVC in most cases or pine/cider, you can't slap it on from the edge of the roof with a but joint( we also apply adhesive behind it to reduce expansion/contraction during temperature differences)that's why we have to set up a staging for it, therefore do everything off the staging and as for the dust you just use the glasses.

Besides I don't see you making any decent uniform cuts when you have to reach 2' out away from the edge if the roof-probably not a biggy if you put 2x stock on it and call it a day, but not in our case.
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I think it is funny how some people think things are done the same every. Where's
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I made a frame for a subwoofer exactly an inch too narrow. Guess that's why I'm not a carpenter.

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