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Old 05-11-2019, 07:26 AM   #21
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FK the Chinese, they got away with robbing our country for far too long because previous administrations didn't do s^*t about it and only worried about lining their own pockets.
This new Democratic BS they trying to promote is some s*^t and if they win 2020, I think Mexico be building a wall to keep us out from entering
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Old 05-11-2019, 08:33 AM   #22
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China has cause significant damage to ours and many other economies. They cheat, lie, steal and undercut using the govt as a backup. They won't let you into their country to do business without stealing all of your intellectual property and yet we allow them here in our country like any other business even though we know it actually the China state that owns all the businesses that are in the US.

Time to put them on equal grounds and if they can't do that fairly then it's time to disconnect from doing any business with them, period. The thieving has got to stop, the one sided dealing has go to be corrected, the undercutting to drive out of business by using the state as a backup needs to be eliminated.

I don't feel sorry for anyone who is hurt by buying the Chinese products. They kill the business of countries and decimate economies on the guise of cheap labor and things. Use to be if you wanted something you saved up for it. Now you just buy a pc of junk from the Chinese and complain that 1 year from now it broke.

Putting tariffs on their products is just a message, deal with us on fair terms or the next step will be taken.
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But, but, what about bacon sales?lol


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This sends a much bigger message to China. It shows them that their economical survival depends on the US.

Americans buy 80 percent of American products. The US Has an enormous amount of leverage. We don't export anything near what China exports to us. Puts us in the catbirds seat.

If the whole world stopped buying American products we'd still sell 80% of our products to one another. That's a big deal.


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Tariffs are just another tax we have to pay.
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Reading this has helped me to understand things a bit more than I did. I do believe that we all would be better of if everything that we need was made here in the U.S. We have been buying from China for so long that our wages have become stagnant. I know some will disagree with that statement, but back in the 70's people made $20 an hour in the factories here in my hometown. If you can find a factory job here now, it pays $12 and hour. That's 50 years later...

In my opinion the unions became too strong and it was almost impossible to fire anyone, regardless of the reason. GM switched to a piece rate system, and the employees started getting their work done in 4 hours and played cards the rest of the day. The factory owners got fed up and a lot of the jobs went to southern states were there were no unions. Others went to Mexico and China. The small town that I live in has fewer people living here than it did in the 70's. There are few factories left here, and as I said the wages are low.

I really feel that we did this to ourselves. Workers not putting in a good day's work, unions making it impossible to discipline employees, and finally corporations getting greedy and making cheap goods with cheap labor in foreign countries.

China didn't steal our stuff, we gave it to them. If we had a proprietary process for making a product we would guard that secret from our competitors here, but we GAVE it to foreign countries. The problem with American's is that we don't think long term. If we did, then the unions, employees, and companies wouldn't have done what they did.

That is my point of view as to how we got to this point by observing events in my little corner of Michigan. It is why I feel empathy for the poor. The people that are suffering today are suffering because of decisions made by others 50 years ago. If you were unfortunate enough to be born 50 years after me then you were born into a totally different economy than me.
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As far as the small potatoes thing, fluctuating prices don't really bother me much either because I make more than $12 an hour. It's harder on people who make less. Don't forget about them.
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Build the stuff here. I was shopping for Quartz the other day. A lot of Quartz is/was manufactured in China. The tariffs have forced these companies to manufacture in the US. This particular company is building a plant in the Midwest that will open in the fall. Build and buy US!

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Most people don't understand that tariffs, in many cases, were started to give "favored nation trading status" after WWII....we were the only undamaged market around....so our foreign policy was geared to imports to "assist" rebuilding nations get their goods to a market flush with currency.

I absolutely support, regardless of the pain involved, a dollar for dollar trade policy, and equal market access. No dumping of subsidized goods in our market.

And anyone notice the steel industry lately? Billions being invested? That ain't in Mexico.
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"I don't feel sorry for anyone who is hurt by buying the Chinese products. They kill the business of countries and decimate economies on the guise of cheap labor and things. Use to be if you wanted something you saved up for it. Now you just buy a pc of junk from the Chinese and complain that 1 year from now it broke."

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Reading this has helped me to understand things a bit more than I did. I do believe that we all would be better of if everything that we need was made here in the U.S. We have been buying from China for so long that our wages have become stagnant. I know some will disagree with that statement, but back in the 70's people made $20 an hour in the factories here in my hometown. If you can find a factory job here now, it pays $12 and hour. That's 50 years later...

In my opinion the unions became too strong and it was almost impossible to fire anyone, regardless of the reason. GM switched to a piece rate system, and the employees started getting their work done in 4 hours and played cards the rest of the day. The factory owners got fed up and a lot of the jobs went to southern states were there were no unions. Others went to Mexico and China. The small town that I live in has fewer people living here than it did in the 70's. There are few factories left here, and as I said the wages are low.

I really feel that we did this to ourselves. Workers not putting in a good day's work, unions making it impossible to discipline employees, and finally corporations getting greedy and making cheap goods with cheap labor in foreign countries.

China didn't steal our stuff, we gave it to them. If we had a proprietary process for making a product we would guard that secret from our competitors here, but we GAVE it to foreign countries. The problem with American's is that we don't think long term. If we did, then the unions, employees, and companies wouldn't have done what they did.

That is my point of view as to how we got to this point by observing events in my little corner of Michigan. It is why I feel empathy for the poor. The people that are suffering today are suffering because of decisions made by others 50 years ago. If you were unfortunate enough to be born 50 years after me then you were born into a totally different economy than me.
China stole it from the people, the large businesses gave it away for profit and destroyed the economy. Basically cut off their foot for profit. Not realizing (or realizing and not caring because they live in the moment) that eventually with less working, and working for a smaller wage, people wouldn't even be able to afford the cheap Chinese junk they peddled.
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If you've figured out that Trump is trying to save the country from evil people then welcome aboard! If you haven't figured this out yet then I suggest you turn off MSM and start researching on the internet until you figure out that Trump is trying to save us. MSM is the enemy.

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Man the market is taking a beating today from the Chinese. If this didn't solidify that the Chinese are a bunch of jagoffs then I don't know what would.

I didn't realize they reneged on basically all of their previously negotiated positions up into this point.

Let's see who blinks first.
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So some light is leaking though those rose colored glasses about how China cheats on everything. Well how dee.

Yes, the only reason they signed the deal was to take advantage of the US, like they do every other economy. Now that they've reneged on the deal, signed the papers and then did the opposite. How can we ever trust them again? Why should we?
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So some light is leaking though those rose colored glasses about how China cheats on everything. Well how dee.

Yes, the only reason they signed the deal was to take advantage of the US, like they do every other economy. Now that they've reneged on the deal, signed the papers and then did the opposite. How can we ever trust them again? Why should we?
They didn't even sign anything this time, just stringing us along.

Their other "trade partners" need to wake up, too.

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It was last time. They signed, brought it back to leader for life who probably killed them all for failing. And then just decided the signed papers with America meant nothing and they'd do exactly what they please, thinking that there is a dimm in the presidents seat that would cower in fear. Little do they know Trump is onto their chit and doesn't plan on taking it anymore.

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