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SmallTownGuy 08-16-2014 10:50 AM

Robin Williams and I are the same age. Well, he was 5 days my junior.
He perfectly reflected the craziness of our generation, and I knew as time went on, he must have experienced some of the same insanity growing up that I had.

Best I can describe it, is that Robin Williams "put the crazy out there" so I didn't have to.

Suicide: I've been close to several others who have exited life that way.

Life Lesson 1:
My cousin had 2 beautiful twins - one boy, one girl. They both were diagnosed very early on with Aspergers. Beyond the huge difficulties of us on the outside discovering ways to fathom, communicate with, and help them manage their lives - they seemed well-adjusted.

At the age of 12, the boy excused himself from church services, went home early, and plunged a kitchen knife dead center in his heart.

His sister is today well known for her violin concertos, and composes orchestral pieces that have been played thru-out the US.

Life Lesson 2:
During a divorce process in 1990, I discovered ACoA, and while attending there met several wonderful people, including one man whose alcoholic parents had kept him and his siblings unwashed, starving, and physically abused, locked in an unheated shed in Kentucky for nearly a decade. He later went on to get a job in an auto plant up here, marry, raise 2 kids, then divorce. Bright, intelligent and well spoken beyond his circumstances, he saw right into my situation, bought a wrecked up motorcycle and gave it to me. "You need a project" he said.

I was pissed at him - WTF did he know about ME? It sat in the garage for 2 weeks untouched. But sure enough, I fixed the thing up right - exceptionally actually - and he became a great personal friend. Saved my bacon I think.

But this man who was so insightful was battling deep depression that only got worse with time. He confided that the blackness would crowd in stronger each day, no medication, no counseling helped.

He told me he had decided he would lie down on his couch one day, and never get up again - and by God, that is exactly what he did.

Depression is a disease like so many others - it appears to have various triggers and causes and predispositions and outcomes that we are only now beginning to fathom.

Robin Williams is one of those people I had always hoped would be there in my old age. Well, he won't. And for that I am selfishly sad, because he made me laugh and cry, and think, and made the world a little bit better for it.

Thank you Robin.

Gary H 08-16-2014 11:02 AM

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TimNJ 08-16-2014 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RangoWA (Post 2073727)
Yes, drugs include alcohol. Quitting is easy, done it lots of times.


Then I guess you never have.:laughing:

jb4211 08-16-2014 10:52 PM

You can only quit something once. Everything else is just a break.

Easy Gibson 08-17-2014 08:36 PM

"Life isn't for everybody."

Robie 08-17-2014 11:18 PM

One of the last scenes from "Awakenings". Worth the short listen.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKLyhUgAA58

Robie 08-22-2014 11:13 PM

Never saw this until tonight...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_L1vLv84vs

wallmaxx 08-24-2014 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by rosethornva
Suicide is not selfish.

Actually it IS the epitome of selfish.

The suicidal person is drowning in self pity. They only see themselves and the despair they are enduring.

One of my good friends was successful in his suicide attempt. He was upset at his wife of 18 years leaving him.

He left behind 2 teen aged daughters. What a selfish and cowardly thing to do. He abdicated his amazing role as DAD to two young girls (who REALLY NEED a good dad role model like all young girls do) to choose a bottle of sleeping pills.

Buck up and deal with the difficulties as life happens to you. That IS what life is about.......existing through and overcoming challenges....good and bad.

Tom Struble 08-24-2014 12:41 PM

let the dead guy be dead Mr. Perfect..

MarkJames 08-24-2014 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RangoWA (Post 2073766)
I don't by the infectious disease theory at all. There certainly are environmental conditions that can affect you but I don't believe it just something you get. If a doctor really said that to you he was voicing an opinion, not scientific fact.


http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/l...ng-emotionally
Nearly all people who receive a transplant, experts say, feel elated and experience a sense of relief and hope after a surgery that goes well. But with time, that initial optimism may be tinged with other feelings. You may start to worry about your condition coming back. You may be afraid of organ rejection. Or you may fixate on the uncertainty of the future.

Guilt After an Organ Transplant

Guilt is a common reaction people have after a transplant. Patients often report thinking a lot about the donor and felling guilty about benefitting from the donor's death.


The most recent "Science Friday" (public radio) was discussing something similar. The bacterial composition in the human body's gut has been shown to affect serotonin levels there. If that's the case, maybe it's possible that an organ transplant could introduce other strains of bacteria into a recipient and affect serotonin levels that way. Just a guess.

RangoWA 08-24-2014 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkJames (Post 2078523)
The most recent "Science Friday" (public radio) was discussing something similar. The bacterial composition in the human body's gut has been shown to affect serotonin levels there. If that's the case, maybe it's possible that an organ transplant could introduce other strains of bacteria into a recipient and affect serotonin levels that way. Just a guess.

Sounds like a stretch but I think it's safe to say it isn't hard science.

And yeah, the topic isn't just about Robin, I had a brother take a lead aspirin. He knew what it would do to us and his kid. Had a acquaintance do the same while on the phone to his wife that was leaving him. Left behind two 8 or 10 yo girls too. I imagine they had some adjustment to do.

SmallTownGuy 08-24-2014 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by wallmaxx (Post 2078494)
Actually it IS the epitome of selfish.

The suicidal person is drowning in self pity. They only see themselves and the despair they are enduring.

One of my good friends was successful in his suicide attempt. He was upset at his wife of 18 years leaving him.

He left behind 2 teen aged daughters. What a selfish and cowardly thing to do. He abdicated his amazing role as DAD to two young girls (who REALLY NEED a good dad role model like all young girls do) to choose a bottle of sleeping pills.

Buck up and deal with the difficulties as life happens to you. That IS what life is about.......existing through and overcoming challenges....good and bad.

Ah. So being a practitioner of your own advice, you in turn told these teen aged daughters "Buck up and deal with the difficulties as life happens to you. That IS what life is about.......existing through and overcoming challenges....good and bad. "

Because after all, it's a universal prescription... 2 for $10 OTC at RiteAid.
:no:
(Think of the money we ALL could be saving)

rosethornva 08-24-2014 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by wallmaxx (Post 2078494)
Actually it IS the epitome of selfish.

The suicidal person is drowning in self pity. They only see themselves and the despair they are enduring.

Life is not fair. Some people have an unbelievable number of heavy burdens to endure, while others seem to sail through with a relatively light load.

Some people have great coping skills, and when life hits them hard with a sucker punch, they're able to throw off the mantle of depression and despondency and move on. Meanwhile, others sink under the weight of personal trauma(s).

But one big part of growing up is realizing that the world is full of different types of people dealing with different types of pain and differnt types of coping skills. Part of maturity is learning how to step into someone else's moccasins and walk a mile or two.

If you never lost someone to suicide or if you're not in the mental health profession, I'm not sure you have the authority to say what's going inside a suicide victim's mind.

And positing harsh theories that have no connection to real-life experience is hard on those who have lost a loved one to this awful problem.

Reg 09-10-2014 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by rosethornva (Post 2078775)
Life is not fair. Some people have an unbelievable number of heavy burdens to endure, while others seem to sail through with a relatively light load.

Some people have great coping skills, and when life hits them hard with a sucker punch, they're able to throw off the mantle of depression and despondency and move on. Meanwhile, others sink under the weight of personal trauma(s).

But one big part of growing up is realizing that the world is full of different types of people dealing with different types of pain and differnt types of coping skills. Part of maturity is learning how to step into someone else's moccasins and walk a mile or two.

If you never lost someone to suicide or if you're not in the mental health profession, I'm not sure you have the authority to say what's going inside a suicide victim's mind.

And positing harsh theories that have no connection to real-life experience is hard on those who have lost a loved one to this awful problem.

Thanks for saying what I'm feeling

hdavis 09-10-2014 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Reg (Post 2090248)
Thanks for saying what I'm feeling

Better to think about good times

monkey 09-19-2014 05:37 PM

we had the dog barking and the PD at the door at 4 AM.
our son was in CA and we were in touch with him often
CSI was there and it was his hand on the trigger.
showed no signs...this was a 24 yr old kid with dreadlocks...
he cared more about other people than he did about himself

my wife has one of his dreads woven into her hair

I used to try to find something to do in the garage to get away from him...

now we hang out in the basement...I talk to him sometimes..
I get angry with him when I see my wife crying

skyhook 09-19-2014 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by wallmaxx (Post 2078494)
Actually it IS the epitome of selfish.

The suicidal person is drowning in self pity. They only see themselves and the despair they are enduring.

One of my good friends was successful in his suicide attempt. He was upset at his wife of 18 years leaving him.

He left behind 2 teen aged daughters. What a selfish and cowardly thing to do. He abdicated his amazing role as DAD to two young girls (who REALLY NEED a good dad role model like all young girls do) to choose a bottle of sleeping pills.

Buck up and deal with the difficulties as life happens to you. That IS what life is about.......existing through and overcoming challenges....good and bad.

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Originally Posted by Tom Struble (Post 2078513)
let the dead guy be dead Mr. Perfect..

I didn't take it like that.
When I think about the 20 or so people I've known personally, who committed suicide, (happens so much, I quit counting) they pretty much all fit the bill. Anybody can do it, but they rarely think about the broken lives they are leaving behind.

SmallTownGuy 09-19-2014 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Reg (Post 2090248)
Thanks for saying what I'm feeling

Which reminds me...

I'm not much for dwelling on things that others say/do that I disagree with. So, the day following my last post to this thread, I call around, find these folks are doing a "walk", and I have them come up & put the sign in our store. Now WE are a sponsor.

Too many times in my life, I have seen people I had considered stronger, wiser than myself, end up in a bad place.

monkey 09-26-2014 01:36 PM

Dear Mr. Fantasy(Hollywood)

play us a tune... something to make us all happy

you are the one who can make us all laugh...

but doing so... makes you break down in tears....

6 months today when we lost our son

The Williams family is likely slowly accepting reality

hdavis 09-26-2014 07:26 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YxaaGgTQYM


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