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Old 02-12-2019, 08:55 PM   #41
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You don't. You should have taken your tools with you bro. LOL. Period. My men are not allowed to leave your tools on a job ever. They should not assume they know where I'm going to send them the next day or what they will be doing.

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This seems like an incredible waste of time...
We can take every bit of 30 minutes to setup for cabinet and trim work, we are coming back the next day... why pack up? Costs the business a lot of money in the long run.

Sure there are the occasional days throughout the year it would be nice if you had something, but you could go buy whatever that was and be money way ahead than packing up every day.

What am I missing?
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This seems like an incredible waste of time...
We can take every bit of 30 minutes to setup for cabinet and trim work, we are coming back the next day... why pack up? Costs the business a lot of money in the long run.

Sure there are the occasional days throughout the year it would be nice if you had something, but you could go buy whatever that was and be money way ahead than packing up every day.

What am I missing?
Your company, your tools. You do what you want with them. I'm not trying to keep track of a bunch of guys tools staying at what job Etc. Besides our normal projects we have stuff pop up all the time and needs to be taken care of, maybe a warranty call, maybe a service call for a really good client. Maybe a big ass flood will come through and you would lose thousands of dollars of tools your men left in the houses that got flooded... Oh yeah I know plenty of dudes who just had that happen. Even if they're insured, you have to go get new tools, et cetera. You're down a day, I was making money that day

I've seem to have done okay so far money-wise, so I guess it doesn't bother me to have them pack up the tools and put them in the truck. LOL. It takes you 30 minutes to load tools back up into a truck you'd be fired anyway. LOL

I also don't lose any tools to theft or borrowing Etc. They are accounted for and the men accountable for them, not with their pay but with their job if they don't do a good job of taking care of them

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This seems like an incredible waste of time...
We can take every bit of 30 minutes to setup for cabinet and trim work, we are coming back the next day... why pack up? Costs the business a lot of money in the long run.

Sure there are the occasional days throughout the year it would be nice if you had something, but you could go buy whatever that was and be money way ahead than packing up every day.

What am I missing?
I'm fortunate to live in a really rural area. I leave my tools on nearly every job. Heck, my tool trailer hasn't been at my shop for weeks. Just move it from job to job & it sets there till the next job. Heck, half the time I don't even lock it up. Current job it's not locked & I have no fear of anything coming up missing.
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I'm fortunate to live in a really rural area. I leave my tools on nearly every job. Heck, my tool trailer hasn't been at my shop for weeks. Just move it from job to job & it sets there till the next job. Heck, half the time I don't even lock it up. Current job it's not locked & I have no fear of anything coming up missing.
I do it anyway, even on a secluded ranch behind gates and fences. Just a hard habit to break I guess - been doing it since I was a kid.

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This seems like an incredible waste of time...
We can take every bit of 30 minutes to setup for cabinet and trim work, we are coming back the next day... why pack up? Costs the business a lot of money in the long run.
Even if you don't take the tools with you, packing up (and cleaning up) at the end of the day means that you start the next morning well-organized, knowing exactly where everything is and not stumbling over a morass of cords and whatnot that you no longer need.

It's all too easy to spend much more than 30 minutes cumulatively through the day turning in circles trying to figure out where you laid that left-handed widget down yesterday. Bad enough trying to find a tool you had in your hand five minutes ago.
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I thought 30 minute clean up was the industry standard, no?

3:30 can't come fast enough!
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Reading this just reminded me I had a brush in the van that I didnt clean today. Luckily the paint had frozen before it dried and I was able to save my new brush
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For me it depends on what Iím doing . Most jobs I pack it up , and clean it up everyday . More involved jobs , that Iím going to be on a while , I leave it set up on the job .

Since I live an hour or more from 90% of my work , I find myself without a tool sometimes, and I canít just run to the shop. If itís cheap enough I just buy it . Thatís why I have 20 caulking guns.

As far as being locked out , never happens . I always have a key .
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Bad enough trying to find a tool you had in your hand five minutes ago.
One of the reasons I own 3 of everything.

Except what I'm looking for.
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I'm redoing some water damage at a beach/canal house. Good neighbors to keep an eye on things. No way I'm hauling everything down a full flight of stairs 3-4-5 days a week.
There's nobody home except me. I take tools to and fro as I need them for different jobs while I'm doing this.

Been lucky I guess...never anything missing that I didn't misplace.
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Your company, your tools. You do what you want with them. I'm not trying to keep track of a bunch of guys tools staying at what job Etc. Besides our normal projects we have stuff pop up all the time and needs to be taken care of, maybe a warranty call, maybe a service call for a really good client. Maybe a big ass flood will come through and you would lose thousands of dollars of tools your men left in the houses that got flooded... Oh yeah I know plenty of dudes who just had that happen. Even if they're insured, you have to go get new tools, et cetera. You're down a day, I was making money that day

I've seem to have done okay so far money-wise, so I guess it doesn't bother me to have them pack up the tools and put them in the truck. LOL. It takes you 30 minutes to load tools back up into a truck you'd be fired anyway. LOL

I also don't lose any tools to theft or borrowing Etc. They are accounted for and the men accountable for them, not with their pay but with their job if they don't do a good job of taking care of them

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10 years in business and never had a tool stolen that we know of. Probably just jinxed us...

I guess it's different for us having enough tools to install cabinets and trim, electrical trimout, drywall, appliance install, etc, etc ,etc...

Must have been a while since you've worked on a jobsite if you think you're packing up a full setup of tools in less than 30 minutes.


I can see how when you're dealing with a sub doing an isolated task its a bit different. Our electricians come in with a couple boxes of supplies, a tool bag a piece, a ladder, and maybe a couple other things and they are set. That takes all of a couple minutes. What we are doing is very different.

And yeah, I run the show and I'm not paying people to load in and out every day needlessly. Doing a kitchen remodel right now with a trailer parked at it since last Monday. Demo is almost done and by middle of next week framing will be done. That's where that crew is until that phase of the project is complete so no need to pack up, just tidy up the job site at the end of the day.
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Even if you don't take the tools with you, packing up (and cleaning up) at the end of the day means that you start the next morning well-organized, knowing exactly where everything is and not stumbling over a morass of cords and whatnot that you no longer need.

It's all too easy to spend much more than 30 minutes cumulatively through the day turning in circles trying to figure out where you laid that left-handed widget down yesterday. Bad enough trying to find a tool you had in your hand five minutes ago.
Oh I agree 100% on this. Now if you can just get the rest of my team to that would be great... The girl who works with me knows whats up and thankfully she likes it that way too.

The crew my BIL runs... not so much. I'm a little bit CDO so stuff has to be tidy for me to be happy anyway.
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10 years in business and never had a tool stolen that we know of. Probably just jinxed us...

I guess it's different for us having enough tools to install cabinets and trim, electrical trimout, drywall, appliance install, etc, etc ,etc...

Must have been a while since you've worked on a jobsite if you think you're packing up a full setup of tools in less than 30 minutes.


I can see how when you're dealing with a sub doing an isolated task its a bit different. Our electricians come in with a couple boxes of supplies, a tool bag a piece, a ladder, and maybe a couple other things and they are set. That takes all of a couple minutes. What we are doing is very different.

And yeah, I run the show and I'm not paying people to load in and out every day needlessly. Doing a kitchen remodel right now with a trailer parked at it since last Monday. Demo is almost done and by middle of next week framing will be done. That's where that crew is until that phase of the project is complete so no need to pack up, just tidy up the job site at the end of the day.
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Roll out on my dime, roll up on yours. That was the rule for me coming up.
I know there are a ton of ways to do what we do...

We don't start at a shop where as some people do. That's just a waste of time and money to me. Never really understood that.

Our employee's clock in when they get to a job and clock out when they leave the job to go home. Any trips between then to the store, other jobs, etc are paid.
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10 years in business and never had a tool stolen that we know of. Probably just jinxed us...

I guess it's different for us having enough tools to install cabinets and trim, electrical trimout, drywall, appliance install, etc, etc ,etc...

Must have been a while since you've worked on a jobsite if you think you're packing up a full setup of tools in less than 30 minutes.


I can see how when you're dealing with a sub doing an isolated task its a bit different. Our electricians come in with a couple boxes of supplies, a tool bag a piece, a ladder, and maybe a couple other things and they are set. That takes all of a couple minutes. What we are doing is very different.

And yeah, I run the show and I'm not paying people to load in and out every day needlessly. Doing a kitchen remodel right now with a trailer parked at it since last Monday. Demo is almost done and by middle of next week framing will be done. That's where that crew is until that phase of the project is complete so no need to pack up, just tidy up the job site at the end of the day.
Like I said your business, your tools. My way works for me - and I bet if you count up the days on the job site between you and I'm still years ahead Hoss. LOL. I don't think I forgot how to pack up the tools for the day LOL

You are probably right about the remodel aspect. We have never really done all of the trades in house with one crew. My guys are generally they're doing carpentry I'm different times, order the paint crew excetera. We don't set tile or do drywall, well the painter does some drywall but the Carpenters do not. Usually just scope Gap and punch , trim and decks Etc. We use a lot of Subs now. A lot less tools than 5 trades going on for sure. Anyway sounds like it works for y'all and that's what counts.

Same for us on theft until last year. Nice neighborhood, million dollar house. I sat in the house with a scatter gun and a chain at night until I realized the cops were NOW patrolling serious there and no on would try to come back.

None of my tools were stolen, but my spray foam contractor lost a bunch, and they jacked thousands of dollars of framing sealer I'd dropped off that day. They caught the loser and he's still in jail to my knowledge.

I guess if I was really worried about that we would break down scaffolding and haul off welders Etc. LOL. The only time I can think of we break the tool rule is with the work barge, the tools pretty much get locked up in the boxes and it gets tied up in the boat slip we are working on




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I know there are a ton of ways to do what we do...

We don't start at a shop where as some people do. That's just a waste of time and money to me. Never really understood that.

Our employee's clock in when they get to a job and clock out when they leave the job to go home. Any trips between then to the store, other jobs, etc are paid.
If your hands are driving your trucks it's illegal for you to tell them to drive back on their own time. You can be hammered for all the back time if caught. And additional taxes, comp ect...

The reason why guys come to the shop every day is because that's where the trucks are - nobody except a super is taking them home.

Personally I don't want a bunch of different kind of vehicles, some well taken care of and nice and some beaters parked in the neighborhoods I'm working in. I want clean professional trucks. I also think it is BS to expect a guy making 20 to $30 an hour to have a reliable vehicle that can tow trailers, haul tools and go to the store ect, unless you pay them for the vehicle..... or unless you are doing all that yourself. I always liked to be on site and have a hand run to the store when needed when I was the lead

We've done it that way for the last 10 years and it works well for us, but it isn't cheap. Your way works well for a lot of businesses.

It does cost some overtime at times, but I'm pretty good estimator and generally keep that in the figures. LOL.

It was always like the same way deck said for me when I was a hand, you roll up on your own time. I always thought that was BS, they're my tools and it's my job site, I'll pay you to clean up.

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Even if you don't take the tools with you, packing up (and cleaning up) at the end of the day means that you start the next morning well-organized, knowing exactly where everything is and not stumbling over a morass of cords and whatnot that you no longer need.

It's all too easy to spend much more than 30 minutes cumulatively through the day turning in circles trying to figure out where you laid that left-handed widget down yesterday. Bad enough trying to find a tool you had in your hand five minutes ago.
At the end of the day, we organize & prep for the next day. Major debris is picked up so we're not tripping over it tomorrow. When we walk in in the morning, we hit the ground running. If the job runs into the weekend, we do more lot more cleaning & all tools go to a central location so the client isn't tripping over them. Tools go back into the trailer as they're no longer needed. Final packout don't happen until the job is complete. Most of our jobs are directly with the homeowner & there's not other subs running all over the place when we're not there.
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If your hands are driving your trucks it's illegal for you to tell them to drive back on their own time. You can be hammered for all the back time if caught. And additional taxes, comp ect...

The reason why guys come to the shop every day is because that's where the trucks are - nobody except a super is taking them home.

Personally I don't want a bunch of different kind of vehicles, some well taken care of and nice and some beaters parked in the neighborhoods I'm working in. I want clean professional trucks. I also think it is BS to expect a guy making 20 to $30 an hour to have a reliable vehicle that can tow trailers, haul tools and go to the store ect, unless you pay them for the vehicle..... or unless you are doing all that yourself. I always liked to be on site and have a hand run to the store when needed when I was the lead

We've done it that way for the last 10 years and it works well for us, but it isn't cheap. Your way works well for a lot of businesses.

It does cost some overtime at times, but I'm pretty good estimator and generally keep that in the figures. LOL.

It was always like the same way deck said for me when I was a hand, you roll up on your own time. I always thought that was BS, they're my tools and it's my job site, I'll pay you to clean up.

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The company doesn't own any trucks, just the tool trailers which are pulled with personal vehicles. Everybody is going from their house direct to jobsite's in personal vehicles.

The company gave a sum of money to myself and the two leads to put towards having newer and nicer looking trucks capable of doing such.

Like you said, it's not cheap and that's why we have stayed away from it. If we want to be at a jobsite at 7:30 but everybody has to arbitrarily start at the shop just to leave there and get paid on the way to work, etc, it's just time and money that doesn't need to be spent IMO. We have never had a complaint about our vehicles nor have we ever asked someone to charge them more. Well that's actually not true but that's another story.

Way back when we started it was just Dad, my brother, and I working out of a Ford Freestar mini-van. Dad had gone to a meeting for a new project and the potential client commented on the van instead of a work truck and that we should get a truck. Dad said he was keeping
costs lower as we got started but he would add some money to the proposal to cover the cost of getting a truck and the client said not to worry about it, the van was just fine.
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I worked in the shop by myself today, will be there tomorrow by myself (after the 500). No way I could walk out of the shop tonight without cleaning everything up. Shop or job site, it gets cleaned every day.

The home were working on now has a safe room, the tools get locked in there every night. If anything missing it would be someone with the combination, there is only 3 of us with the combination.

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