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Jaws 05-12-2019 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Inner10 (Post 7541037)
I spend way more than 65 a month on beer...you don't drink more than 60 bucks a month in beer?

People 30-50 statistically have the most tatoos....but I guess 50 is still considered young for ya Robie...

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I try not to drink as much beer so I get even fatter lol, but it's easy to spend a lot more than that for sure

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Inner10 05-12-2019 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Jaws (Post 7541035)
Yep definitely more money on consumption. I'm in that category, craft beer, decent cigars, nicer clothes, nicer meals out ect... than when I was growing up. My pop still drinks Miller lite, used to be MGD, ect...

I don't see anything wrong with any of it for society or individuals IF they can afford it.

Coffee is a big thing too. Very big. 5 doallrs a cup ect... French press etc.. I'm still a black foldgers guy.

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To be honest I'd give up my fancy beers and cigars before I switched back to Folgers. I grew up poor, I use to pinch every penny and live down to the last dollar, and drink Folgers and smoke Backwoods....now I'm in a fortunate enough point in my life when I can drink decent coffee, fancy beer and burn down hand rolled Cubans.

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Jaws 05-12-2019 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Inner10 (Post 7541047)
To be honest I'd give up my fancy beers and cigars before I switched back to Folgers. I grew up poor, I use to pinch every penny and live down to the last dollar, and drink Folgers and smoke Backwoods....now I'm in a fortunate enough point in my life when I can drink decent coffee, fancy beer and burn down hand rolled Cubans.

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Same but i like foldgers fine. My brother has a french press at the shop. Its good but so is foldgers. I drink 99 cent gas station coffee if I buy .

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Robie 05-12-2019 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Jaws (Post 7541045)
I try not to drink as much beer so I get even fatter lol, but it's easy to spend a lot more than that for sure

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The point is....don't buy $6 craft beers and $5 cups of coffee and $200 tats and then complain you can't afford rent/utilities...yada, yada, yada....

Inner10 05-12-2019 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Robie (Post 7541043)
I don't hear you complaining about your income either....

Not many people I can blame other than myself being self employed.

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Jaws 05-12-2019 11:15 AM

I still like backwoods sometimes. Especially when at deer camphttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...0c2c779c50.jpg

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Jaws 05-12-2019 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Robie (Post 7541053)
The point is....don't buy $6 craft beers and $5 cups of coffee and $200 tats and then complain you can't afford rent/utilities...yada, yada, yada....

I agree

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Easy Gibson 05-12-2019 11:21 AM

$65 on beer isn't going to make up the gap in rent. I get what you're saying, but housing costs are astronomical today, no matter how much of a spendthrift you are.

Robie 05-12-2019 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Easy Gibson (Post 7541065)
$65 on beer isn't going to make up the gap in rent. I get what you're saying, but housing costs are astronomical today, no matter how much of a spendthrift you are.

It ALL adds up.

Jaws 05-12-2019 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Easy Gibson (Post 7541065)
$65 on beer isn't going to make up the gap in rent. I get what you're saying, but housing costs are astronomical today, no matter how much of a spendthrift you are.

Yep, all the more important to up skill sets and make more.

Rent is twice as high here as it was 20 years ago, and I pay twice as much as I made 20 years ago to a laborer. I made $8 an hour they're making 16. So if I was able to pay bills and save money at $320 a week they should be able to do the same on 650. Of course I'm not a wuss and I never worked 40 hours a week in my life until a couple years ago. A Laborer's job is not supposed to get you to first base in style, you're learning basic skills and doing grunt work. Same thing for someone who chooses to work at Home Depot. Probably going to have to work more than 40 hours a week if you want anything decent. Always been that way

Average rent was like 650 a month back then, my first place was a $450 a month efficiency. Piece of crap but I could afford it. Then I got a little bit nicer place with a roommate. Never had an issue making ends meet, when I got married a few years later we even had health insurance Etc.


Lots of people do a heck of a lot more with a heck of a lot less than I ever have had to.

People are just snowflakes and like to bitch.

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Jaws 05-12-2019 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Robie (Post 7541067)
It ALL adds up.

Yep.

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Robie 05-12-2019 11:30 AM

"I want what you have but I don't want to go through what you did to get it".

Jaws 05-12-2019 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Robie (Post 7541075)
"I want what you have but I don't want to go through what you did to get it".

Yep. I've never understood the mentality and I despise it. Never been like that myself. It didn't piss me off and my boss had a nice pickup or the nice house and his wife had nice clothes Etc. It incentivized me to do the same or better.

There is truly a great deal of people out there who hate people for succeeding and they are usually the type of people who could not do what most of those people are doing if you gave them every Head Start in the world. Makes me sick.

Although it's probably always been that way to an extent it is a lot more rampant now or else a lot more visible because of social media etc. I am sick to death of people in their twenties and even 50s and 60s bitching about people making more money having to pay higher taxes Etc because they can't make it to first base because they are snowflakes. Sitting around waiting for a government handout is the way you end civilizations.

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Jaws 05-12-2019 11:47 AM

There's a young contractor that I I'm trying to Mentor a bit, and he's a good guy, pretty skilled too. I told him how to write a scope of work, what to put in a contract, and how to get more money for his services, just basic stuff. Send him work. He didn't have a father figure so I'm trying to be more of an older brother type figure for him. Push him in the right direction sort of thing

He's in his second year of business, and his wife is pregnant with their second kid, she stays home because Day care is almost as much money as she would make with her skill-set. He is saying he's having a hard time making ends meet now. Knowing the guy fairly well I know he's a late starter, usually doesn't get to the job site until 9 because he goes to the lumberyard at 8 and stop for coffee at cetera.

I told him to start getting up at 4:30. I said if you're getting up at 7 now maybe drop the back to 630- then 6, then 530 etc... until you get there. 5 days a week get up at 4:30, get your invoicing done and be in your truck by 6:30 with breakfast already ate and a cup of coffee, get to The LumberYard first at 7. Or better yet get it delivered if possible. Although it is hard to count on that.

Get to the job site by no later than eight, and you will end up with two extra hours a day you were putting on the job site, 25% increase in production and income. Immediate results.

Does he do that? Nope. Does exactly what he's been doing this whole time. I can tell by his personality he has the mentality or he will Envy somebody else's stuff and think you got some kind of special break to get it. I've heard little bits and pieces of his mentality towards others success come out. He's twenty-nine or so.

That's ridiculous.

He could end up being a builder in the long-term if he plays his cards right, but he probably will not. He has the managerial skill set and trade knowledge, although he needs more job experience in my opinion. But I would bet he even ends up working for somebody else or stays a small operator (nothing wromg with that but thats not what he wants) who says it's impossible to get bigger excetera because he won't put in the time and effort to make it happen. I doubt he reads any trade Publications or business books or construction books i recommend to him either

A lot of entitlement attitude out there that is BS

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Inner10 05-12-2019 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Jaws (Post 7541081)
There's a young contractor that I I'm trying to Mentor a bit, and he's a good guy, pretty skilled too. I told him how to write a scope of work, what to put in a contract, and how to get more money for his services, just basic stuff. Send him work. He didn't have a father figure so I'm trying to be more of an older brother type figure for him. Push him in the right direction sort of thing

He's in his second year of business, and his wife is pregnant with their second kid, she stays home because Day care is almost as much money as she would make with her skill-set. He is saying he's having a hard time making ends meet now. Knowing the guy fairly well I know he's a late starter, usually doesn't get to the job site until 9 because he goes to the lumberyard at 8 and stop for coffee at cetera.

I told him to start getting up at 4:30. I said if you're getting up at 7 now maybe drop the back to 630- then 6, then 530 etc... until you get there. 5 days a week get up at 4:30, get your invoicing done and be in your truck by 6:30 with breakfast already ate and a cup of coffee, get to The LumberYard first at 7. Or better yet get it delivered if possible. Although it is hard to count on that.

Get to the job site by no later than eight, and you will end up with two extra hours a day you were putting on the job site, 25% increase in production and income. Immediate results.

Does he do that? Nope. Does exactly what he's been doing this whole time. I can tell by his personality he has the mentality or he will Envy somebody else's stuff and think you got some kind of special break to get it. I've heard little bits and pieces of his mentality towards others success come out. He's twenty-nine or so.

That's ridiculous.

He could end up being a builder in the long-term if he plays his cards right, but he probably will not. He has the managerial skill set and trade knowledge, although he needs more job experience in my opinion. But I would bet he even ends up working for somebody else or stays a small operator (nothing wromg with that but thats not what he wants) who says it's impossible to get bigger excetera because he won't put in the time and effort to make it happen. I doubt he reads any trade Publications or business books or construction books i recommend to him either

A lot of entitlement attitude out there that is BS

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Old habits die hard.

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Robie 05-12-2019 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Jaws (Post 7541081)
There's a young contractor that I I'm trying to Mentor a bit, and he's a good guy, pretty skilled too. I told him how to write a scope of work, what to put in a contract, and how to get more money for his services, just basic stuff. Send him work. He didn't have a father figure so I'm trying to be more of an older brother type figure for him. Push him in the right direction sort of thing

He's in his second year of business, and his wife is pregnant with their second kid, she stays home because Day care is almost as much money as she would make with her skill-set. He is saying he's having a hard time making ends meet now. Knowing the guy fairly well I know he's a late starter, usually doesn't get to the job site until 9 because he goes to the lumberyard at 8 and stop for coffee at cetera.

I told him to start getting up at 4:30. I said if you're getting up at 7 now maybe drop the back to 630- then 6, then 530 etc... until you get there. 5 days a week get up at 4:30, get your invoicing done and be in your truck by 6:30 with breakfast already ate and a cup of coffee, get to The LumberYard first at 7. Or better yet get it delivered if possible. Although it is hard to count on that.

Get to the job site by no later than eight, and you will end up with two extra hours a day you were putting on the job site, 25% increase in production and income. Immediate results.

Does he do that? Nope. Does exactly what he's been doing this whole time. I can tell by his personality he has the mentality or he will Envy somebody else's stuff and think you got some kind of special break to get it. I've heard little bits and pieces of his mentality towards others success come out. He's twenty-nine or so.

That's ridiculous.

He could end up being a builder in the long-term if he plays his cards right, but he probably will not. He has the managerial skill set and trade knowledge, although he needs more job experience in my opinion. But I would bet he even ends up working for somebody else or stays a small operator (nothing wromg with that but thats not what he wants) who says it's impossible to get bigger excetera because he won't put in the time and effort to make it happen. I doubt he reads any trade Publications or business books or construction books i recommend to him either

A lot of entitlement attitude out there that is BS

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...and probably will have a 3rd child.:eek:

Jaws 05-12-2019 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Inner10 (Post 7541093)
Old habits die hard.

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Well I gave him a copy of James Clear Atomic habits. If he would spend a little time educating himself perhaps he could break those habits.

I'd love to sleep until 7 too, I love to sleep. But I like nice chit too. LOL

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Inner10 05-12-2019 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jaws (Post 7541099)
Well I gave him a copy of James Clear Atomic habits. If he would spend a little time educating himself perhaps he could break those habits.

I'd love to sleep until 7 too, I love to sleep. But I like nice chit too. LOL

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Sleeping till 7 is fine if you wanna work till 11pm.

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Robie 05-12-2019 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Inner10 (Post 7541107)
Sleeping till 7 is fine if you wanna work till 11pm.

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Just ask Leo.:laughing:

Jaws 05-12-2019 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Inner10 (Post 7541107)
Sleeping till 7 is fine if you wanna work till 11pm.

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Not conducive for a father/husband. I did that scrap for too long but am glad I did. Although more like 5- 8. Scopes ect... in the am before I left.

I like being home at 5.

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