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Joasis 05-12-2019 06:29 AM

The Olden Days Thread
 
One of my buddies and I were talking the other day about the grandkids, and shooting sports....and I told him about my youngest grandchild, Jamo...9 years old now, and I find myself wrapped around his finger.....drive the Ranger? Sure buddy.....lets go shoot grampa...sure buddy....can you make the zip line faster? Sure buddy...whatever you want!

Anyway, I digress...we try to fill their lives with stuff we liked, and they may like....but there really seams to be nothing special about it.

When I was a kid, I would scrounge up 50 cents and head to the Otasco Store for a box of .22 shells. And that was something to look forward to....sometimes, you had to wait weeks to get to go do some plinking....and you had fun! Now, my grandsons take it for granted...I break out a brick of .22s (550 rounds) and if they shoot all that up, get another one out.

When I was 9, I was considered old enough to work and drive the smaller tractor on the farm...round and round 160 acres with a 10 foot disk....and as I remember it, I liked it....it was life....

Now, my grandkids want to drive our Polaris Ranger...for fun. They don't have the same life I had. I would have already bought them all 4 wheelers, but I have been threatened by the mothers that grandpa will not get visitation if I do this... :laughing:

But anyway.....I am guilty of spoiling the boys....and every guy I know does the same thing...my grandkids have a 300 foot zipline....I would have never dreamed of such a thing..... :no: And Christmas? Don't get me started.....

In the olden days, we got one present usually....that is, a fun present, like a BB gun, or a model, or something, some clothes, and we appreciated it....as much as I spoil the kids, I doubt they even conceptualize the value of any gifts......and here is my point: We live in a world today where everything seems to come easy....My dad had one rifle and did not own a handgun...my grandfather had a shotgun and a .22 and that was all.....I have safes full of guns. My grandfather waited all his life to buy a decent table saw....and everything he had was used and second hand and he worked in a shed behind the house........I have a fully equipped shop, heated and cooled, with every woodworking tool and I even have 2 lathes and a Bridgeport to fabricate anything I want....and if I want something, I just go buy it. It ain't like the olden days.

Who else has noticed how we are now, compared to back then?

Easy Gibson 05-12-2019 07:51 AM

That's how it's always been though, right?

I remember drilling holes in my Grandfathers work bench, for fun, with his help. My father has assured me that he would have been killed and eaten for doing such a thing.

Parents' job is to discipline, Grandparents' job is to do everything they can to completely undermine that effort. Underwork them, overpay them. Let them eat a pound of Gummi Bears.

Inner10 05-12-2019 09:31 AM

I don't think things have changed much.


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TimNJ 05-12-2019 09:38 AM

I let my grandson drive my tractor when he was 6.

I had it in low range, 1st gear, and the throttle on idle. I could walk along side faster than it moved, but he was driving:thumbsup:

Jaws 05-12-2019 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Inner10 (Post 7540967)
I don't think things have changed much.


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Sure as hell has. We live in a disposable world. Had nothing to do with income back then, it was a way of life. My dad is only about Jays age and he's the same way. He fixes things, not just throws it away and gets a new one. Same thing with the ammo story, when I was a kid there was a limit to what we got, Beyond that's wasteful. Even hunting birds I got a box of shells, 25 rounds. You can't limit with 25 you didn't need to be shooting them anyway. LOL



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Inner10 05-12-2019 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Jaws (Post 7540985)
Sure as hell has. We live in a disposable world. Had nothing to do with income back then, it was a way of life. My dad is only about Jays age and he's the same way. He fixes things, not just throws it away and gets a new one. Same thing with the ammo story, when I was a kid there was a limit to what we got, Beyond that's wasteful. Even hunting birds I got a box of shells, 25 rounds. You can't let it with 25 you didn't need to be shooting them anyway. LOL



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Back then a refrigerator costs 2 weeks wages, today it cost 2 days. It made financial sense to fix things.

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Jaws 05-12-2019 10:19 AM

I fall in between old school and my generation. I buy quality **** that lasts forever and don't get multiples. That's my gun cabinet - I bought one deer riddle and one shotgun as a young adult - carefully weighed all options and bought s Browning A Bolt Medallion. 270 and added a boss muzzle break and Luepold scope and Beretta Urika Optima 12 gauge auto and a Glock 17, I had a .410 I bought when I was 12 and a .22 mag. I bought a larger caliber for bigger game later. Any other guns in there are inherited or the gift from the hba from my terms as president. Each gun has a purpose. I bought an AR and didn't like it and it's on permanent loan to a good friend of mine. Don't need it if I don't want it.

Kids I have taken a pretty large step in a different direction than most people are with their kids. My oldest daughter's 9, she doesn't get anything bought for her anymore really. At least from me. She wants a toy or something like that she pays for it with her own money but she earns doing different tasks did I give to her. Teaching her the value of a dollar and also hopefully some of the incentivized entrepreneurship.

My dad is pretty big on buying them pretty big gifts for Christmas and birthdays, but not multiples. When I was a kid we got one Christmas present like you were saying and then other stuff we needed. Birthdays we got one present, generally something we needed like a pocket knife for a watch or something.

He is soft AF with them comparatively though. My daughter did some kind of minor infraction when we were having dinner at his house on Friday. I said to bring me her iPad deal, I said put it on the table you can have it back in 24 hours if you don't mess up again. She got all pouty and ran off. My dad says what the hell is wrong with you? He said what the hell did she do to deserve to get her pad taken away? Damn. Shaking his head. LOL. He would have beat my ass when I was her age LOL.

As far as construction I fall in between two. My dad is super Frugal and conservative with business, spending and materials. Not to say he'll buy crappie materials but he will spend an unreal amount of time trying to engineer things to save a few boards. I've never been that way. Just build it right and get it done. On the other hand I do my own takeoffs to get them as tight as possible and when I was wearing bags myself and when my brother was our scrap piles were very minor.

My Crews now are not all trained by me or my dad and my brother. And some of the younger guys we still instruct but they've never worked with us when we were working. Especially our main sub.

They are far less conservative but it is more time-consuming to try to sit on the job and explain to them how to save materials than it is to just burn them. My old man cannot abide this in any way so I just told him to stay off the jobs. LOL. Now that he's hauling the dumpsters he bitches constantly about it on Friday night dinner or when we have lunch. It truly bothers him to a point that it's almost worth having some framing classes. LOL. He may end up being the one that teaches them I don't know.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...d390cfa982.jpg

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Jaws 05-12-2019 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Inner10 (Post 7540997)
Back then a refrigerator costs 2 weeks wages, today it cost 2 days. It made financial sense to fix things.

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That is true to a point but not really if you buy anything that's decent. A TV still $1,000, most Americans are not making $500 a day.

Same for refrigerators. Most Americans aren't making 750 a day

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Robie 05-12-2019 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Inner10 (Post 7540967)
I don't think things have changed much.


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Then why have things changed so much?

Jaws 05-12-2019 10:48 AM

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Then why have things changed so much?

Good times breed soft people. Been good times for generations

Soft people don't enforce or uphold standards

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Inner10 05-12-2019 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Jaws (Post 7541001)
That is true to a point but not really if you buy anything that's decent. A TV still $1,000, most Americans are not making $500 a day.

Same for refrigerators. Most Americans aren't making 750 a day

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In 1975 my father sold TVs, he made 3.50 an hour, the cheapest TV was 400 bucks. In 2005 I made 12 bucks an hour selling TVs. The cheapest TV we sold was about the same price.


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Inner10 05-12-2019 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Robie (Post 7541009)
Then why have things changed so much?

Depends how you look at it, but I think it's more a case of the more things change the more they stay the same.

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Jaws 05-12-2019 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Inner10 (Post 7541021)
In 1975 my father sold TVs, he made 3.50 an hour, the cheapest TV was 400 bucks. In 2005 I made 12 bucks an hour selling TVs. The cheapest TV we sold was about the same price.


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Someone making the equivalent of 500 bucks a week in 1970 woulndt throw a 30 dollar mower out they'd fix it.

That's a decent comparison.

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Robie 05-12-2019 11:02 AM

I heard on the radio last week...the average millennial spends $65 per month on craft beer.

I look at all the tattoos young people have...they don't give those away.

I have a hard time feeling sorry for people crying they aren't making enough money... and then seeing what they are spending the money they do make on.

Inner10 05-12-2019 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Jaws (Post 7541027)
Someone making the equivalent of 500 bucks a week in 1970 woulndt throw a 30 dollar mower out they'd fix it.

That's a decent comparison.

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My point is that it's not that we love trashing things, or are trying to be wasteful, people are value maximizers. As the price of new things relative to wages drops it approaches the marginal cost to repair. Between the repair price and the new price lies a threshold where the individual will value the benefit of buying new vs the risk or repairing the old.

We don't fix many tools and appliances because it doesn't make financial sense.

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Jaws 05-12-2019 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Robie (Post 7541029)
I heard on the radio last week...the average millennial spends $65 per month on craft beer.

I look at all the tattoos young people have...they don't give those away.

I have a hard time feeling sorry for people crying they aren't making enough money... and then seeing what they are spending the money they do make on.

Yep definitely more money on consumption. I'm in that category, craft beer, decent cigars, nicer clothes, nicer meals out ect... than when I was growing up. My pop still drinks Miller lite, used to be MGD, ect...

I don't see anything wrong with any of it for society or individuals IF they can afford it.

Coffee is a big thing too. Very big. 5 doallrs a cup ect... French press etc.. I'm still a black foldgers guy.

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Inner10 05-12-2019 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Robie (Post 7541029)
I heard on the radio last week...the average millennial spends $65 per month on craft beer.

I look at all the tattoos young people have...they don't give those away.

I have a hard time feeling sorry for people crying they aren't making enough money... and then seeing what they are spending the money they do make on.

I spend way more than 65 a month on beer...you don't drink more than 60 bucks a month in beer?

People 30-50 statistically have the most tatoos....but I guess 50 is still considered young for ya Robie...

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Robie 05-12-2019 11:08 AM

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I don't see anything wrong with any of it for society or individuals IF they can afford it.
Therein lies the rub.

Jaws 05-12-2019 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Inner10 (Post 7541033)
My point is that it's not that we love trashing things, or are trying to be wasteful, people are value maximizers. As the price of new things relative to wages drops it approaches the marginal cost to repair. Between the repair price and the new price lies a threshold where the individual will value the benefit of buying new vs the risk or repairing the old.

We don't fix many tools and appliances because it doesn't make financial sense.

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That's because **** isn't as well made also. Wal-Mart generation. Cheap **** for less. Not a lot f9 quality stuff anymore. Also harder to repair.

Id repair my Occidentals but I wouldnt fix CLCs

My point is most will opt for cheap and throw away instead of buy quality and take care of it

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Robie 05-12-2019 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Inner10 (Post 7541037)
I spend way more than 65 a month on beer...you don't drink more than 60 bucks a month in beer?

People 30-50 statistically have the most tatoos....but I guess 50 is still considered young for ya Robie...

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I don't hear you complaining about your income either....


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