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Old 04-29-2017, 11:32 AM   #1
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To the extent that some use screws or nails to frame and construct portions of a structure, does require some judgement and care. Keep in mind, the history of construction included dry applications of wood, pegs, nails and, eventually, screws.

Today, the availability of materials is very plentiful. Building codes have dictated which to use. The code writers have always been conservative, requiring more that less. I agree and follow the codes; but, with some personal projects have choose lighter construction techniques and used lighter materials, as well.. For example, a slightly, off ground veranda was decked with 1x6 pt lumber. After 20+ years, it required few repairs.

I am not advocating a reduction in codes. I know that you have to set standards quite high, to get reasonable compliance. There are always people taking jobs and cutting cost corners. Well, if only the inspections can catch the illicit work, we would be better of, consumers having fewer problems, as a result.

I've noticed that programs like, This Old House, have replaced pneumatic nailers with lithium batteried screw drivers, using almost, exclusively, screws for framing to some trim work.

Screws are a wonderful thing and do a better job for some applications; but, the preponderance to use them continuously is a waste of money and, more importantly, TIME.

My 110+ year old house goes to show that simple nailing, no caulking, and a lot of common sense can produce a durable, safe, long lived structure.
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Old 04-29-2017, 04:53 PM   #2
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I always amazes me when someone comes on here and posts crap like we are a bunch of know nothings.

I realize you are trying to get hits or redirects or some such bs, but it just looks stupid.

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Use nails let your girlfriend use screws.
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If you nail it wrong you're screwed.....

If you screw it then you likely nailed it....
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Screws are usually considered non structural. They snap instead of bend because of their hardness.
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You're going to get a boot in your ass if I see you framing with screws.


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Mike Holmes uses screws!!


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See, right there is the problem with flip flops. I don't want to see men's toes.

FWIW, I have flipflops, but only wear them at the house, and don't share pics of my ugly ass feet on the Internet
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Good thing there's a manly dog in the pic.

Yeah, but even he's turned away from the flip-flops...

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To the extent that some use screws or nails to frame and construct portions of a structure, does require some judgement and care. Keep in mind, the history of construction included dry applications of wood, pegs, nails and, eventually, screws.

Today, the availability of materials is very plentiful. Building codes have dictated which to use. The code writers have always been conservative, requiring more that less. I agree and follow the codes; but, with some personal projects have choose lighter construction techniques and used lighter materials, as well.. For example, a slightly, off ground veranda was decked with 1x6 pt lumber. After 20+ years, it required few repairs.

I am not advocating a reduction in codes. I know that you have to set standards quite high, to get reasonable compliance. There are always people taking jobs and cutting cost corners. Well, if only the inspections can catch the illicit work, we would be better of, consumers having fewer problems, as a result.

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Screws are a wonderful thing and do a better job for some applications; but, the preponderance to use them continuously is a waste of money and, more importantly, TIME.

My 110+ year old house goes to show that simple nailing, no caulking, and a lot of common sense can produce a durable, safe, long lived structure.
My house is 110+ as well and has plenty of screws from the original build
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Mike Holmes isn't a Framer.
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Where's the OP. I was hoping he could give us advice on tape or mesh. Or maybe rolling vs. brushing, or hand nailing vs. gunning, or walking vs. biking...

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Notice that nobody is coming to his defence?

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Actually Simpson does make an approved structural screw. We use them when I think the HO is going to change something.

I canít wait till they come out with these that are approved


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