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Old 03-30-2019, 10:01 PM   #21
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It was the "experts" at the time... same as now... you don't remember this?... why do you think they give ranges in decades now for their guesstimates?...

Even Jaws supposition is 15-30 years... there's much more to it than just IP theft and cheap labor... If there wasn't we wouldn't have had a resurgence of manufacturing that the "experts" told us was not possible and considered the new normal just a mere couple of years ago... this DESPITE the IP theft/cheap labor...

To me, the biggest threat for our country is from within...
Wrong experts. A very good friend if mine is an Asia specialist. Seeing what happens from the inside us pretty interesting.

China has to build out to catch up. Things like design and test involve both IP and a lot of know how. You don't just steal the IP and get people trained up on it, they'd still fall flat in their faces. It takes some real time. Japan us a decent indicator if how fast thus can be done. There is a lot of infrastructure that has to develop as well, so there is a whole web of IP and know how that's involved.

It took Taiwan and mainland China about 20 years with state subsidies to rise to the top of the contract IC water processing world. No country can afford to do that in all sectors, but the can pick off niches. The US used to be first in dram manufacturing, then Japan subsidized their industry push, and picked us off, then Korea subsidized their push and picked off Japan. And so it goes.

Details aren't as important as long as we retain key strategic capabilities and have industries the provide high per capita GDP and growth.

JMO.

BTW, there is an article out there somewhere that shows the historical world economies over hundreds of years. Based in how world economies gave ebbed and risen in the past, my recollection is 60 years us a more realistic time frame for China ascending.

You can never tell, we could keep shooting ourselves in the foot.
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Old 03-30-2019, 11:39 PM   #22
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Not exactly. There certainly are companies like Wal-Mart, Home depot, and Lowe's that will take a product being made in the US and ask a Chinese supplier if they can supply them at a lower price. China doesn't care about patents, so sure they can.
I would say yes exactly. Almost every major player in the United States went all in on a China manufacturing scheme, aided and abetted by our so called 'free trade' policy which enabled these companies to set up shop over there where there are no environmental restrictions and people are paid pennies for what would be done for dollars over here.

Now if one wants to get by without supporting China it's virtually impossible. Go to Costco, Walmart, Target, Home Cheapot and see how much stuff is from China. For the retailers it's well over 75%, wouldn't be surprised if it's over 90%. If one doesn't want to support China one's screwed because so much of what's readily available is from China.

Just one example of a major company leaving the United States for China. For years I've loved Corning ware, such quality ceramic products and for years it was made in Corning, New York. Now, look on the bottom of Corningware and what does it say......... country of origin, China. They transplanted that incredible skill of large scale quality ceramic production and offshored it.

We were told as a nation that they would only be producing low tech items, now they're trying to corner the market on the most high tech electronic systems for now and into the future.

We created a monster with the short sighted economic policy we instituted, screwed up huge sectors of our economy doing so and enabled the largest concentration of wealth and power in the fewest hands ever in the history of the world, hands that would slit our collective throat in a second if they had the upper hand and decided it would be in their interest to do so.
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Keep in mind, if you want to sell your products in China, you WILL do some of your manufacturing there. It's one of the unfair practices being negotiated.

Regarding the wages paid, environmental protections, etc, I've always thought that if these are the basic things we feel humans are entitled to, we should put equivalent tariffs on their exports to us. Why automatically reward them for treating people and the environment below minimum standards?
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Wrong experts.
Uh-huh...

The missing part of the picture is we're a Representative Republic operating as a democracy in a capitalistic system...

They're not... they're the opposite... they're economy relies more on our purchases... it's not even close... not to mention we have the dollar... they've got over a BILLION people and we're still the favored market and lead... and then there's the geopolitical issues...

None of that reality is going to change anytime soon and it's also why they have to cheat to get to where they are...
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Uh-hu

None of that reality is going to change anytime soon and it's also why they have to cheat to get to where they are...


So,do you feel the good old U.S.of A. never ever did any cheating to get where it is ??
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So,do you feel the good old U.S.of A. never ever did any cheating to get where it is ??
Is that really the issue?
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Is that really the issue?


It seems like it must be part of it,'cause it was the last observation posted. If a country goes under the microscope,does that exempt certain other ones ?
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So,do you feel the good old U.S.of A. never ever did any cheating to get where it is ??
That's irrelevant. Using "never" is all or nothing thinking, and us one common firm if cognitive distortion.

Shrinks deal with that all the time, for a fee.
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That's irrelevant. Using "never" is all or nothing thinking, and us one common firm if cognitive distortion.

Shrinks deal with that all the time, for a fee.




Alright,take your pick,substitute one of these words,......has,always,continues,constantly.
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Alright,take your pick,substitute one of these words,......has,always,continues,constantly.
You already framed it.
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So,do you feel the good old U.S.of A. never ever did any cheating to get where it is ??
Be specific... the context is China...
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This is going to be the argument that pooping your pants at 16 days old is the same as pooping your pants when you're 16 years old.

No, no it isn't.
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This is going to be the argument that pooping your pants at 16 days old is the same as pooping your pants when you're 16 years old.

No, no it isn't.

Bottom line,no country out there is lily white.Nothing ever happens by coincidence.
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Bottom line,no country out there is lily white.Nothing ever happens by coincidence.
And here you bridge things. Countries grow because they cheat. There is always blame to be found, you just have to find it.

This is like saying everyone is a filthy liar. It isn't all or nothing in the real world, only in your head.

Yup, everyone pooped their pants...
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And here you bridge things. Countries grow because they cheat. There is always blame to be found, you just have to find it.

This is like saying everyone is a filthy liar. It isn't all or nothing in the real world, only in your head.

Yup, everyone pooped their pants...




Countries are similar to individuals,meaning,nothing ever happens to them,all things happen through them. In other words,what goes around comes around.

Just maybe,if you have any interest to fully understand my point,read R.W. Emmersons' essay Compensation. It is not a long read.
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Countries are similar to individuals,meaning,nothing ever happens to them,all things happen through them. In other words,what goes around comes around.

Just maybe,if you have any interest to fully understand my point,read R.W. Emmersons' essay Compensation. It is not a long read.
The good thing about philosophy is it answers philosophical questions.

The bad thing about philosophy is people mistake it for answering real world questions.

Back to the point. Societies share some characteristics of individuals. If you do business in foreign countries, there us a list of various dimensions which characterize business dealings there. Things like would they break the law to help a friend? It's scales in multidimensions.

Regarding goes around comes around, I've never bought into that. One example would invalidate it, and with billions of people having lived, there is bound to be more than one. Judgement and a heaven and he'll works well because it can't be invalidated, which makes it doubly unscientific.

I don't hold it against Emerson, in his time scientific writings were full if philosophical garbage. Even later, if you read Tesla's patents, for instance, there was still a bunch of junk in there.

Not really their fault, since that was the popular thinking at the time, and PhDs were doctorate if philosophy in a real sense. It did, however, interfere with understanding.
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The good thing about philosophy is it answers philosophical questions.

The bad thing about philosophy is people mistake it for answering real world questions.

Back to the point. Societies share some characteristics of individuals. If you do business in foreign countries, there us a list of various dimensions which characterize business dealings there. Things like would they break the law to help a friend? It's scales in multidimensions.

Regarding goes around comes around, I've never bought into that. One example would invalidate it, and with billions of people having lived, there is bound to be more than one. Judgement and a heaven and he'll works well because it can't be invalidated, which makes it doubly unscientific.

I don't hold it against Emerson, in his time scientific writings were full if philosophical garbage. Even later, if you read Tesla's patents, for instance, there was still a bunch of junk in there.

Not really their fault, since that was the popular thinking at the time, and PhDs were doctorate if philosophy in a real sense. It did, however, interfere with understanding.



Suit yourself.
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Suit yourself.
I usually do....
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So,do you feel the good old U.S.of A. never ever did any cheating to get where it is ??
You Believe In fairness, I'm guessing Fred. I think that is Noble but it is neither relevant or realistic.

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So, here's a philosophical one for you. When God wiped out Sodom and Gomorrah, what was His goes around comes around? How about the wars He supported, conquering lands, etc? Any blow back on any of this stuff? It's a legit philosophical question.

I'm serious. If karma is universal and there is no way it can get everything right all the time, what's karma's karma?

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