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Old 01-25-2019, 08:57 AM   #41
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Old 01-25-2019, 10:25 AM   #42
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I suppose I should clarify some things even though the MarkJames figured it out. I am technically an employee for my boss. I consider myself a sub and as would he because I pay my own taxes. (I have a small business that I do "side-work" on, and there is no reason for my boss to pay all the taxes to have me on the books).

Thanks again. Gotta get ready for a long day tomorrow. The "quick flip" we just started is now a whole new re-wire job. Starting the day tackling the beast that is the 3 ton safe in the basement that needs to be removed.
So just out of curiosity and to help me understand the situation, it sounds like the following:

Your boss is a house flipper that hires guys on a temp basis or so. Hires them as 1099 type contractors (even though they aren't). He does all of this on a tight low budget in order to flip the houses at a higher profit...or at least help someone else who is fronting the money to buy the house, then flip it with your boss's help.

You aren't really on his books as a full time employee. It sounds like he is 1099'ing you also, so that you have to report your income as Misc or whatever. He takes nothing out of your paycheck for taxes or workers comp. He is treating you like a sub contractor.

In a rather cynical way, this boss contracts with the buyer to fix up and flip the house. He hires guys who are willing to work cheap for a "cash under the table" type of payment. It sounds like the "boss" hires the cheapest guys he can without regard to skills, knowledge or any type of professionalism (that's just cynical assumptions on my part based on the OP's description of the site and the behavior of the other workers).

It sounds like long hours, low pay, having to live in ( I hate to say it ) low rent conditions. Not enough time to get cleaned up with clean clothes and some personal hygiene to start the day.
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LOL, the other one I like is "Not your rodeo, not your clowns."

Depends if you're dealing with monkeys or clowns
But I have respect for rodeo clowns over all the rodeo riders. Them boys ain't monkeys, imply they are at your own risk.

But yes sir, another good analogy.
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But I have respect for rodeo clowns over all the rodeo riders. Them boys ain't monkeys, imply they are at your own risk.

But yes sir, another good analogy.




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So just out of curiosity and to help me understand the situation, it sounds like the following:

Your boss is a house flipper that hires guys on a temp basis or so. Hires them as 1099 type contractors (even though they aren't). He does all of this on a tight low budget in order to flip the houses at a higher profit...or at least help someone else who is fronting the money to buy the house, then flip it with your boss's help.

You aren't really on his books as a full time employee. It sounds like he is 1099'ing you also, so that you have to report your income as Misc or whatever. He takes nothing out of your paycheck for taxes or workers comp. He is treating you like a sub contractor.

In a rather cynical way, this boss contracts with the buyer to fix up and flip the house. He hires guys who are willing to work cheap for a "cash under the table" type of payment. It sounds like the "boss" hires the cheapest guys he can without regard to skills, knowledge or any type of professionalism (that's just cynical assumptions on my part based on the OP's description of the site and the behavior of the other workers).

It sounds like long hours, low pay, having to live in ( I hate to say it ) low rent conditions. Not enough time to get cleaned up with clean clothes and some personal hygiene to start the day.
You are 100% correct.

That's not to say that he isn't a good guy, because he is. I imagine he found himself in a lucrative position after flying solo for the better part of 6 years, and is enjoying the benefits after giving half of his life to this job.

He is giving me an education on the industry and is patient with the time it takes to get things done the right way, and gave me a chance at this line of work when he had no reason to.

The flip side of that coin is I am sacrificing a lot. I should be making at least twice what I do now, and it is just costing me more and more money to keep up this sacrifice. But after exhausting yourself with to frame out a house in a week is such a satisfying feeling.


Maybe I should follow the advice of the people who said to just shut up and do my job.


EDIT: I forgot to mention, that he does have full time employees (About 4) and I myself could even go on the books but that would mean less pay. Considering what I make now, the money that would be taken out in taxes does not justify it.

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You are 100% correct.

That's not to say that he isn't a good guy, because he is. I imagine he found himself in a lucrative position after flying solo for the better part of 6 years, and is enjoying the benefits after giving half of his life to this job.

He is giving me an education on the industry and is patient with the time it takes to get things done the right way, and gave me a chance at this line of work when he had no reason to.

The flip side of that coin is I am sacrificing a lot. I should be making at least twice what I do now, and it is just costing me more and more money to keep up this sacrifice. But after exhausting yourself with to frame out a house in a week is such a satisfying feeling.


Maybe I should follow the advice of the people who said to just shut up and do my job.


EDIT: I forgot to mention, that he does have full time employees (About 4) and I myself could even go on the books but that would mean less pay. Considering what I make now, the money that would be taken out in taxes does not justify it.
I don't recall if you stated your age before, but your English skills and ability to be concise with your explanations seem to be quite high. You seem to also have the right attitude to become a good honest GC some day once you pass the muster of being down in the trenches.

So tell us a little bit more about yourself please. I think some of us are intrigued by you.
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Going on the books would also mean that if an accident happens, it wouldn’t come out of your pocket.

If you cut your finger off, Do you have a few grand in your pocket to get it fixed and rehabilitated?


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Going on the books would also mean that if an accident happens, it wouldn’t come out of your pocket.
Unless this "employer" doesn't have WC obviously.
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I don't recall if you stated your age before, but your English skills and ability to be concise with your explanations seem to be quite high. You seem to also have the right attitude to become a good honest GC some day once you pass the muster of being down in the trenches.

So tell us a little bit more about yourself please. I think some of us are intrigued by you.
I am a 30 year old (turning 31 on the 31st of this month) with two children who live with their mother while I live in the basement of my ex-girlfriends uninsulated 110 year victorian house while I try to dig myself out of debt and poor choices. Not much of a drinker, but I am sitting here with drink in hand watching the newest Scott Brown video on scribing. Ask me whatever you'd like. I'll be up for a while.

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Going on the books would also mean that if an accident happens, it wouldn’t come out of your pocket.

If you cut your finger off, Do you have a few grand in your pocket to get it fixed and rehabilitated?


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Really can't thank everyone enough. The honest feedback was enough to clarify my position. I just gotta stay truth to the path.



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I don't recall if you stated your age before, but your English skills and ability to be concise with your explanations seem to be quite high. You seem to also have the right attitude to become a good honest GC some day once you pass the muster of being down in the trenches.

So tell us a little bit more about yourself please. I think some of us are intrigued by you.
accurate assessment.

several things you need to do....

grab yourself by the short hairs while simultaneously pulling your head out of your ass.

get some self respect and get away from this guy you are working for.

you should be on payroll for a number of reasons.

your attitude & perceived work ethic alone should land you a good job with a more reputable employer.

self respect....

shower daily...even if you are tired..it will make you feel better

if you can't afford laundry go to a thrift store and buy some cheap work clothes.

it is admirable that you recognize past poor decisions and are trying to help your family.

your present working conditions are ridiculous. those alone should encourage you to move on.

you said you are watching a scribing video....great...dedication to your chosen profession...bit you need some down time not associated with work. it improves the mental perspective.

what line of work were you previously in?

what education do you have?

you've taken a pretty good lickin' on here and stuck without whining.

seems like you are worth trying to save.

don't give up...
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DT, where are you located? Someone who read this thread my be looking for someone some day, they recall this thread and your attitude but have no idea where you are, another opportunity lost.

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I am a 30 year old (turning 31 on the 31st of this month) with two children who live with their mother while I live in the basement of my ex-girlfriends uninsulated 110 year victorian house while I try to dig myself out of debt and poor choices. Not much of a drinker, but I am sitting here with drink in hand watching the newest Scott Brown video on scribing. Ask me whatever you'd like. I'll be up for a while.

I appreciate the compliment.
No joke, say where you are located. At worst you may find a part time mentor near you. Not many keep the attitude you have under the circumstances.
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Sheesh. I was going to skip a shower this morning. First time in a long time. Now I feel guilty.

I'll be the only one on the site today, but still.

Oh, and welcome. Youventaken all this advice pretty well with no snarky remarks. I think that's a first around here.

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