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Old 04-23-2011, 02:11 PM   #61
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Old 04-23-2011, 02:32 PM   #62
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You have heard from some of the most intelligent wisest posters on this forum. Look how well thought out and dead on their responses are in such a short time line. Mostly not what you had really hoped for.

SO........What you say now!!
Uh, actually, their responses were precisely what I had hoped for - thoughtful, measured, enlightened and sagacious (and perspicacious, too!).

My motives for posting this thread were simple: I need a mental palate cleanse from the horror of that video. Sometimes, it's easy to become transfixed by the bad and forget to focus on the good.

I have a lot of respect for men (and women) that work with their hands and I have a lot of respect for people who own and manage small businesses. I've found most small business owners to be highly ethical, honest and moral souls, and I was confident that others here would feel as outraged as I do.

I am heartened and gladdened to see the many good responses.

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I would have beat all three of them hard. How dare they disturb my lunch.

Ok, couldn't resist. I for sure would have stepped in. But I know how to handle myself. Even against 2 or 3. Not saying others can't, but I've been well trained. So for me it's a fairly straight forward excersise.

That said, I would only use necessary force. I would put myself between the attackers and victim. If they come at me, then so be it.

And if one pulls a knife or gun, they better be fast.
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Well I am the type of to help out and correct the problem period. And when I get in the mood its not good for the other party when my irish blood winds me up.

About 4 years ago we were at halloween horror night in orlando. My wife and I just walking and having fun. Our daughter and her group of friends were off on thier own. So my wife and I are standing in line for a ride. Guy keeps looking at my wife and stuff. I told the wife I thought we should just go to another ride. Long story short the guy reached out and put his hand down my wifes shirt. the guy was about 50 lbs on me. It took 2 officers to get me off the guy. My wife said she had never seen me flip like that in 7 years being with her. I am very mellow till things like that happen. I did not get arrested at all for defending her.


So yeah i would step anytime to stop a issue
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If they watched me get shot by some thug that was beating up his thug girlfriend, they would look at me and say to each other "Dad's a dumb-ass."
This exact thing happened in NJ to an off-duty cop, I think it was last year. Driving down road with his father, see's a guy beating on his girlfriend in a parking lot. Stops to help, gets shot. Dead, for trying to do the right thing.
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Maybe your stomach growling would scare them away??
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Hey Opie, got any pics of your wife? She hot isn't she.

And oh, ya, did the guy live?
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Did I watch a different video than the one some of you saw? The one where the "victim" was wearing a bright blue shirt?

I heard the word 'brutal' spoken by the newscaster. And I heard him talk about this woman being 'struck repeatedly'. But to tell you the truth, all I saw was some pretty tame grab-assing, shirt pulling, and posturing. I got the impression all three of them just wanted some attention.

Hardly anything there to get involved for. Certainly no one was actually being seriously hurt.
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Did I watch a different video than the one some of you saw? The one where the "victim" was wearing a bright blue shirt?

I heard the word 'brutal' spoken by the newscaster. And I heard him talk about this woman being 'struck repeatedly'. But to tell you the truth, all I saw was some pretty tame grab-assing, shirt pulling, and posturing. I got the impression all three of them just wanted some attention.

Hardly anything there to get involved for. Certainly no one was actually being seriously hurt.
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Thanks. Shows a little more...some slapping, pawing, and a poor excuse for a snap kick that appears to have glanced off the gal's arm. A lot of dragging.
But it still looks like grandstanding to me.

You want to hurt someone, you keep them back in that bathroom alcove, and you seriously work them over. You don't ceremoniously drag them thirty feet out into the middle of the restaurant. You do that simply so everyone can see your antics better.

I'm not saying they were just playing, but there was certainly no cause for alarm or panic there.

Would I have probably gotten tired of it and possibly chosen to break it up? Maybe. But more than likely I would have ordered another Big Mac to go.
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Amen Sally! I'm right there with you.

You "hero at all costs" types, would it be worth it just to have someone be able to tell your children that you died trying to protect a stranger? I'd rather stand back, call 911 and make it home to them alive. Sorry, but I'm a realist, not an idealist.
Hero types??


My Buddy Sam Norris was a hero type...

He was stationed on the USS Pope when it was sunk..

He spent days in the water as the Japanese used him and his mates as a bait for Jap subs..

He got to watch his mates drown and get eaten by sharks before they were pulled from the water...

They got to force march for a few days before spending the next 4 years in a Jap prison camp..

Kind of a funny story... We took Sam to the VA to have a mole removed and he says to the Doc... My dentures are giving me fits doc can you do something about it... Doc says "I don't think so ..That isn't a service related injury"

Sam says "Well the hell it aint... The japs beat em out with a rifle butt!!"

Funny thing...

All kinds of people throw around the word hero and don't have a clue...

Funny how our generation hasn't got the stones to do the right thing..

Seriously... The old lady in the video has more stones...
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There's being a hero, then there's being a 'hero'. There is a difference.


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My Buddy Sam Norris was a hero type...

He was stationed on the USS Pope when it was sunk..

He spent days in the water as the Japanese used him and his mates as a bait for Jap subs..

He got to watch his mates drown and get eaten by sharks before they were pulled from the water...

They got to force march for a few days before spending the next 4 years in a Jap prison camp..

Kind of a funny story... We took Sam to the VA to have a mole removed and he says to the Doc... My dentures are giving me fits doc can you do something about it... Doc says "I don't think so ..That isn't a service related injury"

Sam says "Well the hell it aint... The japs beat em out with a rifle butt!!"

Funny thing...

All kinds of people throw around the word hero and don't have a clue...

Funny how our generation hasn't got the stones to do the right thing..

Seriously... The old lady in the video has more stones...
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More accurately, pray for forgiveness and let the cards fall where they may.

I'll never second guess the decisions I make on behalf of my children. If that makes me any less of a man, you can call me Sally.
Oh man, this has gotten out of hand. I never called you a Sally.

If in the rare occurance this picture that has been invented about the possible outcome resulted in me dying than I guess my kids would understand I.was just trying to do the right thing. Just remember, nobody got shot here.

If you were being pummeled and you forgot your gun belt with the double six shooters and you forgot your cowboy hat and your horse.....and tanto was was nowhere to be found you can depend on me for help.
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There's being a hero, then there's being a 'hero'. There is a difference.
The only way to be a hero is when others define it as such. If you call yourself a hero that's a problem. Lots of people around the globe do the right thing in life every day and nobody notices. I like that type of individual, they are the true heros.

When 911 happened people ran inside the building to try and save others.....heros. they were well aware there was a good chance they would die and many did. Trying t stop a girl fight isn't asking for too much out of a fellow human being.

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We all gotta die sometime. It's just a question of where and when. Sometimes we get to choose, sometimes we don't. All the same in the end.

If I were to be killed in such a situation, my family would understand.
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I think many of us might be reacting to our own emotional responses that can only process actions like those shown in the video through our own, unique and esoteric experiences.

When you are raised in a relatively calm, rational and placid environment when compared to the tumultuous situations that exist throughout most ghetto settings, we simply do not see things the same as someone brought up so much differently.

To most middle class white people, the everyday comfortably accepted conversation and interaction of people not from our kinds of neighborhoods can honestly seem intimidating, threatening, and bordering upon violently assaultive.

To instinctively react to any given situation without being culturally and emotionally aware and attuned to the true level and degree of intent and purpose will almost always have us reading things incorrectly.

Just take the culturally focused African American interaction known as "Playin' the Dozens."

See? Some of us don't even know what that means.

It's the verbal confrontational jousting that goes on concerning the questionable heritage, physical appearance and inferred low intellectual level of the person you are talking with or one of their relatives.... usually more directly expressed through seemingly derogatory and insulting comments about the other person's mother.

This is a harmless game with them. To most of us, something like that would call forth a compulsion to react at least verbally defensively, if not becoming physically retaliatory.

Why didn't the other blacks "do the right thing" and protect that poor girl, we ask. The answer can be seen in the rather passive actions, lack of restraint or physical contact and mild responses of all the other people involved. It wasn't necessary.

They were aware (much more than most of us would have been) that this was not a dangerous situation. And their assessment was that all that was required was some physical separation of the antagonistic parties. That is basically what they attempted to facilitate. Unfortunately they just couldn't seem to keep the two initiators (especially the chunky one) outside of the store long enough for things to cool down some.

Point here is that it is highly likely that we are seeing something through white eyes that did not necessarily happen in that black environment the way we believe it did.
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We all know the noble thing to have done there.

Nobody will ever know what would have happened if a real man stepped in there and used justifiable force to stop that.

I think there's a real chance that all those guys standing around laughing might have been more involved if that was the case.

Is there a chance I would have intervened? Yes, a chance, but no guarantee.

If it had been one of my own, I'd have been willing to give my life in their defense. Maybe I'm just selfish, but at least I'm honest.
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Why didn't the other blacks "do the right thing" and protect that poor girl, we ask. The answer can be seen in the rather passive actions, lack of restraint or physical contact and mild responses of all the other people involved. It wasn't necessary.


Did you actually take the time to watch the entire video? Including the wads of hair torn out by the roots and lying on the floor, and a very real-looking seizure?

Man, you are one callous guy.
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If I didn't know what a joker you are, I would actually think you believe that hair belonged to the white girl (well, in that she bought it at the store, I guess it did) and that it had really been pulled out by the roots.

And the seziure? Have you not watched enough sports to recognize the famous loser's limp? (Where the brother misses an easy pass at the goal line and suddenly comes up with a limp that "kept him from catching the ball"? )

BTW, this is not hearsay........... Take a look at my family.

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