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Old 11-04-2014, 07:18 PM   #21
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A hack is a person who:

Wakes up every morning, and makes a conscious decision to do a half asses job, and/or "completes" the work incorrect way.
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Old 11-04-2014, 07:19 PM   #22
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A hack is someone who does sub-standard work but he thinks that he knows it all. He gets defensive any time someone suggests the "right" way or a better way of doing the job. Any time you present him with an idea that he has never heard of before or perhaps an idea that is beyond his level comprehension, he will resoundingly dismiss it.

The hack has a tendency to self-deceptively increase his knowledge by finding shortcuts that increase his productivity. After all, time is money. Less time on the project means more money in his pocket even if it also means ducking and dodging the callbacks. Along those lines he is especially good at convincing his customer to pay him in full before completing the finishing touches, which is followed up by a series of empty promises and excuses before the customer finally gives up.

The hack is also especially good at using his influence to convince the customer that his work is "professional" and whoever says otherwise doesn't really know what they are talking about.

Lastly, when the hack senses that his customer isn't completely satisfied, his closing statement will be, "Well you have to understand that this is like living in a new house. Try living with it for a couple of weeks and if you still don't like it, let me know what's wrong and I'll fix it." but this ends up being another empty promise.
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A hack is someone who does sub-standard work but he thinks that he knows it all. He gets defensive any time someone suggests the "right" way or a better way of doing the job. Any time you present him with an idea that he has never heard of before or perhaps an idea that is beyond his level comprehension, he will resoundingly dismiss it.

The hack has a tendency to self-deceptively increase his knowledge by finding shortcuts that increase his productivity. After all, time is money. Less time on the project means more money in his pocket even if it also means ducking and dodging the callbacks. Along those lines he is especially good at convincing his customer to pay him in full before completing the finishing touches, which is followed up by a series of empty promises and excuses before the customer finally gives up.

The hack is also especially good at using his influence to convince the customer that his work is "professional" and whoever says otherwise doesn't really know what they are talking about.

Lastly, when the hack senses that his customer isn't completely satisfied, his closing statement will be, "Well you have to understand that this is like living in a new house. Try living with it for a couple of weeks and if you still don't like it, let me know what's wrong and I'll fix it." but this ends up being another empty promise.
Well said. It was looking like I was the only one who was expanding (our definition as asked in the thread title) beyond crappy actual work, and touching the crappy business practices realm. My definition of a hack INCLUDES crooked ways of doing business. Thanks Ted, I was getting lonely.
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The best example i saw was an apartment rental office i was doing work on. I was there to put the trim and wet bar in. The GC realized they didnt own the wet bar, so neither did i at that point (my part was all T&M), the owner had Lowes coming to install also.
Now, when i do cabinets, i shoot a laser and find the high and low spots. Stock cabinets i start at the high spot and strike a line on the wall to mark the top of the base cabinets. For the sink base, you can measure down to find the holes for the pipes.
The guys show up to set the cabs. Both wearing wife beaters and dirty pants. and i dont mean like this was the 2nd job today dirty, like this was day 3 in a row for them pants. They bust out the plastic levels and get to work. The cabs but a brick wall, so one would assume they would scribe the filler piece against the wall at least enough so it would touch in some of the areas. Nope, whole thing is like 1/4' off the wall.
The sink base- they went to set it and didnt know how to measure vertically for the pipes apparently. The main guy said you cant drill holes cause the cabinets are off the floor due to the floor being sloped. I asked why he didnt snap a level line across from the cabinet already set and measure down. He looked at me like i was speaking Chinese. Then proceeded to cut a 2'x2' "square" out of the back, like he always does he said.
Meanwhile that lead guy is explaining how all this goes to the other guy, who is obviously new to this, and saying it like he is ok with how this looks. And it wasnt just ignorance, cause he said to his helper that "this is how you install Lowes cabinets. Some of those higher end kitchen guys would make things tighter, but thats just a waste of time"
That to me was a true hack.
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I like teds answer in general. I have know many like that, and i wouldnt work with people like that.
When i first started with the GC i used to work for he had a few subs, and a couple were real hack. the Hvac/ plumber was the worst. I didnt like him right away so after the 2nd job i went and found new guys and just stopped calling the old guy. Same happened for the drywall guy, painter, ect. None of those guys survived the slow down. The hvac guy is still around but i heard he went bankrupt and came back almost the same name but only does service work for commercial now. So what Ted said has to ring true, a hack in his physical work, a hack in every aspect of his business.
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In short?.......lick em.....stick em......cut....and run
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To be a hack requires installing material that was cut in a sloppy manner. If there is no sloppily cut material installed, hack is the wrong word. If a person installs sloppily cut material on a regular bases then they receive the hack label. This is particularly true if the sloppily cut material effects the finished aesthetics or functionality of the product.

The word often gets used in a more general manner. This is because a person who makes bad cuts probably also has sloppy nail patterns. They probably also drip paint on surfaces and run a loose business. A hack may do these things but that is not what makes them a hack. It is from the cutting of the material.

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I don't really care what's going through someone's mind when they built it. That's irrelevant to the hackiness of the job. I usually don't have that information anyway. I just see the work and think "Whoa, he hacked his way through that".

To me, "hack" is usually the bottom 25-40% of the trade. There are reasonable variances in quality but, below that, it's hack work. It breaks down like this:
Top 10% = Craftsmen
10-30% = Skilled at their trade, they may not all be high end but the work is tight for the price
30-50% =It's a job, not everyone can afford good materials or good work. These could be apartments of McMansions.
50-70% =Hey, somebody had to build that Dunkin Donuts.
70-100% = Hack.
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Top 10% = Craftsmen
10-30% = Skilled at their trade, they may not all be high end but the work is tight for the price
30-50% =It's a job, not everyone can afford good materials or good work. These could be apartments of McMansions.
50-70% =Hey, somebody had to build that Dunkin Donuts.
70-100% = Hack.
Nothing like making up some arbitrary numbers. How has this changed over the years? My house is 104 years old. All the doors, windows, wall coverings, flooring, trim and so on are original and in great shape. Is this because of better material or because the percentages you mentioned used to be different? Even a high end house today will have much of that material replaced long before 104 years. It does not have to be that way.
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[QUOTE=TNTSERVICES;2124313]Again, we agree. If you know that you are doing it wrong, then you are a hack. If you don't know any better, or think that your are doing it right, it's a judgement call if they are a hack.[/QUOTwhat ever!
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Again, we agree. If you know that you are doing it wrong, then you are a hack. If you don't know any better, or think that your are doing it right, it's a judgement call if they are a hack.
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He has no pride

He has no integrity

He has to bullchit the customer (victim) because he really has no reputation to go on

He often has no idea about market reality so his price is either way too low or way too high

Once he get's the OK......the work is executed in a totally amateur fashion....and it's usually worse than if he ever showed up at all......especially if it's a repair job....if it's new work....it's a waste of material.....and money
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Here's what I've learned from CT and other internet forums about "hacks."

Someone who does things differently than you.

A drywaller who uses a corner trowel.

Any one who replaces an electrical outlet and is not also a Master Electrician.

Any GC who does any actual hands-on work besides framing. And maybe even framing.

Any GC who does NO hands-on work, and just runs the job.

Anyone who re-routes, adds to, repairs, touches, looks at, thinks about, or dreams about, any plumbing device, part, fixture, or component, and is not both a Master Plumber, and also works with lead and oakum on a daily basis.

Anyone who does jobs without a license. This applies even if the state said "hack" is operating in has no licensing, and no way for the "hack" to obtain a license, even if he/she wanted to. This does not, however, apply to members of the forum, in good standing, who do "side jobs", either after hours, or before they were licensed.

Shopping at Home Depot.

Not shopping at Home Depot.



Hope this help.





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Here's what I've learned from CT and other internet forums about "hacks."

Someone who does things differently than you.

A drywaller who uses a corner trowel.

Any one who replaces an electrical outlet and is not also a Master Electrician.

Any GC who does any actual hands-on work besides framing. And maybe even framing.

Any GC who does NO hands-on work, and just runs the job.

Anyone who re-routes, adds to, repairs, touches, looks at, thinks about, or dreams about, any plumbing device, part, fixture, or component, and is not both a Master Plumber, and also works with lead and oakum on a daily basis.

Anyone who does jobs without a license. This applies even if the state said "hack" is operating in has no licensing, and no way for the "hack" to obtain a license, even if he/she wanted to. This does not, however, apply to members of the forum, in good standing, who do "side jobs", either after hours, or before they were licensed.

Shopping at Home Depot.

Not shopping at Home Depot.



Hope this help.





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I was called a hack once on this forum. He don't come around any more.
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I was called a hack once on this forum. He don't come around any more.
Only hacks talk like that :laughing;
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