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Old 02-28-2013, 07:02 PM   #1
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ďDeer meat is not permitted to be served in a shelter, restaurant or any other public eating establishment in Louisiana,Ē said a Health Dept. official in an email to Fox News. ďWhile we applaud the good intentions of the hunters who donated this meat, we must protect the people who eat at the Rescue Mission, and we cannot allow a potentially serious health threat to endanger the public.Ē
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ďThis was really good meat,Ē he said. ďItís high in protein and low in cholesterol. Itís very healthy.Ē
Martin said he was extremely bothered by the way state health inspectors handled the situation.
ďYou would think we would have due process,Ē he said. ďBut they meant to destroy the meat Ė thatís for sure.Ē
The missionís chef asked if they could at least return the meat to the processing plant Ė but the state officials said no.
ďThey actually took it out to the dumpsters, split the packages open and poured Clorox on it,Ē Martin told Fox News.
He said the rescue mission serves 200,000 meals a year Ė without a single dime of assistance from the state or federal governments. As a result of the confiscation, he said as many as 3,200 meals were lost.
so the state has zero investment in the shelters, yet feel they can dictate to them what they can serve?

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My girlfriend works at a woman's homeless shelter, and they have a long list of what they can/cannot take as donations, and game meat is on the no-go list there as well.
I understand the potential risk, but seems like a huge waste of food. If the shelters down there are anything like the ones here, the donations tend to land right around barely enough to function.

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Ontario just came out with this a year or 2 ago. I can understand not taking the game meat if it wasn't processed at a butchers, but just because it's wild game is nuts.
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I think comes down to the state's responsibility even though they no investment, but probably does have a moral obligation to protect the people eating there because may provide some grants or being involved in the licensing/certification of the facility.

I have friends that donate game meat, but they have it processed and provide proof it was not processed by an amateur. It is not the wild animal that is the problem, since many deer are inspected or sample by game wardens for disrase. The real problem is the handing durring and after the processing, especially if it not frozen.
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I think comes down to the state's responsibility even though they no investment, but probably does have a moral obligation to protect the people eating there because may provide some grants or being involved in the licensing/certification of the facility.

I have friends that donate game meat, but they have it processed and provide proof it was not processed by an amateur. It is not the wild animal that is the problem, since many deer are inspected or sample by game wardens for disrase. The real problem is the handing durring and after the processing, especially if it not frozen.
If I understand correctly, the meat destroyed was processed by a USDA inspected processor.
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pimwheel -

I only saw was "state inspector" listed, but not all state inspectors or USDA certified. If the state inspector was also qualified by the USDA (the trump card) an available certification should certainly suffice unless the are loose ends on the local level.

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I donated several ferral hogs and some Javelinas when I was hunting on a lease in Uvalde to a local orphanage. They were happy to have it.
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I know in Ontario there is an outright ban on donating wild game to homeless shelters. It doesn't matter where it was processed. I agree that the processing should be the sticking point but here it isn't. The OFAH (On federation of anglers and hunters) has been quite active in getting this law revoked. Other provinces and particularly the northern territories have no such ban.
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this is much ado about nothing

As noted in the first post in this thread- the state mentioned in the story prohibits deer meat in a "Shelter,Restaurant , or other pubic eating establishment"

I don't see what the O.P. is objecting to.

It is not unreasonable for the State to regulate food safety,eating establishments etc.

for general conversation--a handful of years ago I volunteered one winter at our local foodbank . At that time they informed me that this particular foodbank was the second largest in the US. I have no idea where it currently ranks--- but I do know after my time volunteering there they later moved into an even larger facility.

currently they serve 8 counties and according to their web site 180,000 people/year--------95,000 of whom are children.

I do remember back in my time volunteering-something like 80% of the clients were women,children or the elderly.

the scale of the operation is pretty impressive ,and probably rivals something like a decent sized local grocery chain operates. An organization that large needs systems in place and a level of efficiency to handle the volume it must process.

donating a misc. deer carcass(processed or otherwise) might make a hunter feel good about himself- but in fact it would really foul up the system

objectively-the risk of contamination is increased---and in the event of an "incident" the foodbank AND their clients really,REALLY doesn't need the operation shut down while the source of the contamination and incident is tracked down.

BTW- if you really want to help-donate canned food or money which can be processed efficiently and stored if necessary for use during periods when other donations are lower.

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So are you saying that this food bank cannot accept beef pork or fowl donated by a grocery store? If yes, why not a few hundred lbs of ground venison from a butcher?

The restaurants should be a moot point, here at least it is illegal to sell wild game. You can give it away but you can't sell it.
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People have eaten wild game for thousands of years, orphanages and homeless shelters have until recently in big cities, probably still do in small towns....

The argument that it is any more unsafe than before all of a sudden is absurd. Its certainly as safe as anything in a dumpster. ....

I give venison to relatives every year. We also eat dove, ducks, fish, all hand butchered by me. Never seen anyone get sick. If its good enough for my grandma its good enough for someone who doesnt have a job looking for a hand out. ...

Also, they are homeless, they need to eat, this is something that is nutritious and free, no government subsidies. Maybe thats why we are TRILLIONS in the hole. Paying some dude to regulate the homeless' s food intake is ridiculous and absurd.

This conversation is absurd.

Our government has to much time on their hands. Maybe fire the homeless regs dept and hire some damn accountants to make a nifty spread sheet to explain to the imbeciles in charge that you have to spend less than you take in.....
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Considering the amount of hormones, gmo corn, and who knows wth else is in comercial meats Im always happy with a good Elk or deer.

Im sure there was more to the original story then told
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The only reason I say that I can understand wanting it butchered at a licensed butchers is that while I don't know you Jaws I would probably eat some wild game that you butchered because from your posts you seem to be conscientious

I can't say the same for others that I do know. They'll quarter with a chain saw that they cut wood with, or it may have come in contact with various solvents in their garage or barn etc... Maybe they don't want it themselves because it got a bit green. Also there are crazy people in the world who may hate the homeless and put arsenic or something in it. Even though they are a charitable organization, they can still be sued by the people they are trying to help
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So are you saying that this food bank cannot accept beef pork or fowl donated by a grocery store? If yes, why not a few hundred lbs of ground venison from a butcher?

The restaurants should be a moot point, here at least it is illegal to sell wild game. You can give it away but you can't sell it.
Dommas- I can't say yes or no to that question because I don't have the slightest idea of the actual answer.

what I can tell you is that the 3 months or so I volunteered there I never came anywhere near fresh meat,eggs or dairy. I packed a lot of canned foods, boxed foods and about once a week I went out with another guy to various Giant Eagle Grocery Stores who donated baked goods- the baked goods were typically just past day-old,2 day old status.We ended up throwing a LOT of baked goods out

the problem with perishable commodities- is that they are perishable!
That, in combination with the fact that in a food bank situation a huge amount of the work in sorting,dividing,packing etc. is done by volunteers of an incredible array of backgrounds. The volunteers aren't always there when you need things sorted. We threw out a lot of baked goods that were "iffy" when they were donated-and itting around a few more days untill they can be sorted doesn't improve the situation. You gotta have some understanding of the scale of some of these operations to appreciate what is or isn't effective

I can tell you for a FACT that as a volunteer I would not be remotely qualified to determine if a deer carcass( no matter how professionally or unprofessionally it had been handled up to that point) was still fit for human consumption.

I also doubt that a food bank can really afford to pay a butcher or a meat inspector to be on constant standby in case a do gooding hunter wants to drop off some venison.

you gotta think of the practicalities of the situation--- the reality of how it would ever be distributed--------------------
instead of getting caught up in a thought process like" that deer meat is high quality protien-the homeless should be thankful for the freebee"

Yesterday my wife and I went on a little "foodie" excursion to Clevelands' West Side Market ( We probably go 8-10 times a year--- I would go several times a week if I actually lived in Cleveland)

during that outing I came across an article in a local community newspaper----- the article was actually talking about Venison in Restraunts

Here in Ohio--- Ohio white tail deer are classified as "Exotic species"-so they can't be in the standard food chain---restraunts, cafeterias,schools, diners, food trucks etc. It is kept out of food establishments

If You see venison on a menu in Ohio-it's not ohio white tail deer- it's mule deer or Elk from most likely Colorado.

why this is so- I don't know- but it's the REALITY of the situation.

Also-part of the reality of the situation is that A food bank or a soup kitchen is a "Food Establishment" and there are rules,regulations ,laws etc. in place meant to protect the public.

some people may question the human value of the women,children,and the elderly who are the statistically typical recipients of the the food banks out put- but I don't. I think they should be protected from dubious food handling and " donating" a deer carcass isn't going to improve the situation- they aren't equiped to handle it.

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Considering the amount of hormones, gmo corn, and who knows wth else is in comercial meats Im always happy with a good Elk or deer.

Im sure there was more to the original story then told
Them wild animals eat that GMO corn and wheat also. That means they are only lacking the hormones you are worried about.
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some people may question the human value of the women,children,and the elderly who are the statistically typical recipients of the the food banks out put- but I don't. I think they should be protected from dubious food handling and " donating" a deer carcass isn't going to improve the situation- they aren't equiped to handle it.

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Its actually amazing just how marginalized homeless women are in society. My girl works for the only homeless shelter in the city that caters to women that are just homeless. Until they opened if you were a homeless women who wasn't abused, a drug addict, mentally challenged or native you had no shelters available to you.
The place she works only opened because a recently homeless woman in her 50's froze to death one night, then they got funding to have 9 beds, now 20. Not one day in the 2years that shes worked they haven't had to turn away people.

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Also there are crazy people in the world who may hate the homeless and put arsenic or something in it. Even though they are a charitable organization, they can still be sued by the people they are trying to help
Are those the same people that hate children and put razor blades in candy apples?

How many poisonings of donated food are you aware of?
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Them wild animals eat that GMO corn and wheat also. That means they are only lacking the hormones you are worried about.
Umm, not around here they don't.
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Its actually amazing just how marginalized homeless women are in society. My girl works for the only homeless shelter in the city that caters to women that are just homeless. Until they opened if you were a homeless women who wasn't abused, a drug addict, mentally challenged or native you had no shelters available to you.
The place she works only opened because a recently homeless woman in her 50's froze to death one night, then they got funding to have 9 beds, now 20. Not one day in the 2years that shes worked they haven't had to turn away people.
Pat, My hat is off to your girl and her good work.

not to play down her efforts-but as far as food banks go, the end recipient isn't typically a "homeless" person as we are conditioned to believe.

A common characterization might be a crack head or a drunk passed out in an alley looking for a hand out---and while I KNOW this is not the foodbanks clientele in fact- I do understand that people who have this mis-perception might be inclined to have a harsh view of things------------------------

but the actual end users,statistically here will be women,children and the elderly

Starting with Children-even if you live in white bread,vinyl sided suburbia there is a good chance that some of those blue eyed blonde kids in school with your kids-are regularly eating out of a food bank basket.

the Women?-a lot of them are working every day at minimum wage or near minimum wage AND they have 2-3 kids to care for with no help from the father.---where are the fathers?------well among other places look among your employees or co-workers. Any of them single guys with children by multiple women?

the elderly- this, to me is about the saddest. A lot of these people worked their whole lives- but they worked at jobs that paid little and had no benefits ( we can't all be brain surgeons)-Some of them USED to have GOOD jobs- but plants shut down,companies go out of business, a spouse or a child has huge medical bills-and there go your life savings.- a lot of them cobble together something between social security and maybe a tiny pension from something- but they are about out of food by the 20th of the month and that food basket is a big help.

Maybe they even live next door to you-and you would never know it.

I know just after Thanksgiving we did some slate restoration work on a church. the church is located in the central city so it could be seen as a tough neighborhood--- but it is also a church that historically was the home of the cities movers and shakers( and the site of a wedding of a man who became a US president)

You would be surprised who showed up for their baskets-and you would also be surprised how nice ,neat,orderly and organized the line was- no body toking on a crack pipe or slurping down gin and juice

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