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Old 03-06-2011, 12:20 PM   #1
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There are a few people I have come across that are quite upfront and ask for help in order to learn and make sure the job is done right - no problem!

Then there are the majority that sat in the front row at the Home Depot DIY seminar that now feel they are qualified tradesman. (the unqualified teaching the even more unqualified).

My question is, are our industries being eroded with the DIY revolution and can anything be done about it?
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Old 03-06-2011, 12:29 PM   #2
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..............My question is, are our industries being eroded with the DIY revolution.....
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The problem I see is that HO's have the impression that "running some romex" from the panel to a receptacle is a piece of cake. So easy that any idiot can do it and it shouldn't cost very much. When I show up and charge $200 for the dedicated circuit, they seem to think that I'm ripping them off because I make it look simple, not taking into account the 20+ years that I've been practicing or the overhead that I need to account for. I am a professional, school-trained (and, yes, school does set me apart from the others), licensed, insured and bonded, electrical contractor.
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There are a few people I have come across that are quite upfront and ask for help in order to learn and make sure the job is done right - no problem!

Then there are the majority that sat in the front row at the Home Depot DIY seminar that now feel they are qualified tradesman. (the unqualified teaching the even more unqualified).

My question is, are our industries being eroded with the DIY revolution and can anything be done about it?

so DYI is a new concept to you?
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so DYI is a new concept to you?

Maybe DIY is.
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The problem I see is that HO's have the impression that "running some romex" from the panel to a receptacle is a piece of cake. So easy that any idiot can do it and it shouldn't cost very much. When I show up and charge $200 for the dedicated circuit, they seem to think that I'm ripping them off because I make it look simple, not taking into account the 20+ years that I've been practicing or the overhead that I need to account for. I am a professional, school-trained (and, yes, school does set me apart from the others), licensed, insured and bonded, electrical contractor.

My response to "It only took you a half hour" is "No, it's taken me 19 years to learn how to do that safely and correctly in half an hour."
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Electrical used to be a DIY trade. Then came the fires and the NEC.

Now electricians are a specialty trade and the reason we are special is because we know how to install to prevent electrical fires.
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I will voice my opinion on this topic (even though I am not a sparky). I try to think of it this way...

In ten years or so there is going to be alot of work fixing poorly executed (and just flat wrong) repairs and renovations...
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My favorite is when a customer says, "I'd do it, but I just don't have the time" . What's that? To me it seems a way of undermining my expertise. Then they follow that up w/, "If you want you can use any of the tools I have". Then you see what they're offering and it's an array of Ryobi or Craftsman trash w/ 10$ blades in it. To me, that's a reflection of them thinking your miter saw was 90$ and anyone can do it.

I know some people are actually decent, but I'm referring to one guy in particular. I did a custom kitchen, hardwood floor, and some base boards in his house and the whole time he did nothing but look for ways to save money. Biggest one was, "I'll do all the tear out". Never let anyone do that again to save them some money. I ended up doing most of that anyhow because all he was going to do was make more work for me !
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well atleast the good thing about coming in after a diy'er is that its that much easier to pull things apart . they dont want to take the time to properly glue and fasten things together

if they are gonna diy, keep it to simple things like hanging pictures, toilet paper holders, mirrors, keeping gus busy... riz distracted with a barrage of nail guns...

nothing i hate more than at the end of a job then having to spend a day hanging mirrors and that kinda crap

the best "worst" diy drywall job i ever saw was when we had to comlete gut a place and they put so few screws into a sheet we were pulling down 2 sometimes 3 sheets off the ceiling at a time because the tape and mud was holding it all together
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well atleast the good thing about coming in after a diy'er is that its that much easier to pull things apart . they dont want to take the time to properly glue and fasten things together
Or its the exact opposite and the HO's engineering mind made him overbuild it like crazy in an incorrect or impractical way.
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Or its the exact opposite and the HO's engineering mind made him overbuild it like crazy in an incorrect or impractical way.
That's what I always ran into. Construction adhesive EVERY where! And nails galore! Then you find the weak link while your tearing it all apart and realize that all their glue was a waste of time!!
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I saw a guys house and he ran cat-5e everywhere...multiple runs to every room, all runs were parallel exactly 3/4 of an inch apart. Staples with a round crown stapler, on every joist, everywhere....there wasn't 16" of properly installed wire in the entire house.
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Old 03-06-2011, 05:23 PM   #15
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I was opening this to all trades, glad to see others have joined in to share their experience/ 2 :thumbs

I don't do much in the residential world so I enjoy hearing/seeing what some of you guys come across. However, I am reworking a building right now where the previous NON-licensed sparky installed three 45kva transformers to power a basic office :shakes head: meanwhile on the factory floor there is only one 45kva (for 50k sq.ft.) 600V stepped down to 208Y/120V for a bunch of equipment that is rated at 600V...and they don't understand why the machines aren't working properly?!! Not to mention the air-extractors that blow instead of vacuum and the 60A receptacles fed with #12...the list goes on and on

...oh, and yes the previous individual was doing his shopping at Lowe's.
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Or its the exact opposite and the HO's engineering mind made him overbuild it like crazy in an incorrect or impractical way.
Hmmm, my buddy had to strip a DIY aluminum siding job years ago, only to find a galv. roofing nail (not aluminum siding nail) in every slot.

HO told him "I did it myself to make sure it was done right."

My buddy was replacing it with vinyl and told him if he wants it done "right" again, he could DIY.
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we can blame hgtv and diy network for making it seem like this stuff is easy, but, to a certain extent, i think this stuff has always and will always happen. there are just some people out there who can't or don't want to pay someone else to install some tile or a new light. either way i see it as part of a larger problem - either the current economic conditions or the lack of respect for the trades and short-sighted decision making.
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Old 03-07-2011, 12:16 PM   #18
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Just got a call from a client. She has hardwood floors and they are cracking from weight. I look and they laid the t&G directly over the joists no sub floor. So, half the joints end up in space unsupported. It is thru out the whole first floor. But someone diy. They really saved some money.
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Just got a call from a client. She has hardwood floors and they are cracking from weight. I look and they laid the t&G directly over the joists no sub floor. So, half the joints end up in space unsupported. It is thru out the whole first floor. But someone diy. They really saved some money.


Its so true the hgtv/diy world is killing us. Especially carpenters. most don't blink an eye when they need to install some trim or tile. I think or hope their a little more hesitant when it comes to electrical. Our customers are getting a false sense of ability that they can do it themselves and its all from these tv shows and big box stores.

just the slogan "you can do it -we can help" is putting us all out of buisness
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What's really outrageous is when a DIY tries something structual like a deck. I have seen many I would not let a german shepard walk on, and he has his weight spread on 4 legs

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