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Old 01-08-2019, 09:01 PM   #101
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Like the video says....in 1984 a contractor made a decent living. More than Cops and fireman but without the perks. In our area....things flat lined. Like the video says but these people make as much as a couple of hundred K now. So it's much different.
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Old 01-08-2019, 09:04 PM   #102
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A hack is a hack. Fireman or not. They need to be legal.

I'd be mad at my municipality not the fireman

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most if not all building officials are volunteer fireman and would never do anything against their "brothers" would you you are a volunteer?
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I pay for my own benefits and real tired of the cops and firemen who complain that they have to pay a $10 copay and $100 a month while making $100k. Doing electrical, plumbing without licenses, or GC work without insurance or permits. There is not 1 building inspector who would ever give them a violation, I know because I had to make a job pass inspection after he got caught. No fine, no violation no nothing.


That is on the building inspector....should be a good way for him to lose his job

Doesnt matter if its an off duty firefighter or illegal immigrant doing the work all should be up to regulations and code

With social media and the internet you should make this an issue, guarantee you that if its a big enough issue with the right amount of public outrage it will be fixed

One of the local news stations here has a segment called NBC 5 investigates that loves juicy stories like that, they actually get alot accomplished


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I don't know brother, I know a lot of firemen very well here, have served with some of them in volunteer capacities, none of them are f****** anybody over like that. Our police and fire Chris are well regulated by the city council. Overtime spending will not go unnoticed

You boys back East get shafted up the ass by your government all the time because you allow it, or your people did back in the day.

Now a bunch of you guys are coming here f****** up my state. Bunch of retards who can't run their own s*** and are tired of their high taxes come here and cause the same stuff to happen here. And you know what if I live there I'd move too. Sounds like it sucks.

So I imagine you come back here in twenty years you'll see me bitching about my fireman too. Thank you lol

But same goes for me, if it's that good a deal sign up and get it yourself
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Ever hear of the fire dept 2 step?
Fireman "A" wants to take tuesday off, he asks fireman"B" to cover, he says yes at overtime rates. Fireman "B" then takes off his normal day thursday and has fireman "A" work in his place also at overtime rate. The taxpayers get screwed all around. No one says a word because they are all "brothers" and it has been going on for years and no one wants to stop the gravy train.
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Yes. I absolutely would do my job, if my position was to supervise firemen you can bet they would not be f****** the public over for overtime.
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Yes. I absolutely would do my job, if my position was to supervise firemen you can bet they would not be f****** the public over for overtime.

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oh and yes, if I was a building official I would absolutely write that dude a ticket and red flag the job. Don't doubt me either because I would. Even if it was somebody who eats dinner at my house.

I have integrity and understand what it is, I'm sure there are lots of firemen who have integrity even where you live. I also take responsibility and Duty seriously.

They are "brothers" because they serve together and would likely (hopefully) lay their lives down for each other. Not because they would cover them for doing illegal remodels.
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Ever hear of the fire dept 2 step?

Fireman "A" wants to take tuesday off, he asks fireman"B" to cover, he says yes at overtime rates. Fireman "B" then takes off his normal day thursday and has fireman "A" work in his place also at overtime rate. The taxpayers get screwed all around. No one says a word because they are all "brothers" and it has been going on for years and no one wants to stop the gravy train.

That is called a shift swap or shift trade and it is all straight time at every full time department that i personally know of.

I doubt most city’s would turn a blind eye to that....the city budget is public and accountable, if your city allows that then shame on them.

When someone does a shift swap then they “owe” that swap back to the person they did it for.






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It's excessive here. The sub crews get killed by these double dippers. They drag down their rates. I see it with tile, flooring, plumbing and electrical. Carpentry is minor stuff.they don't get involved in big remodels for time reasons. Although I have encountered my shared if abandoned homeowners with a mess.
Don't want to sign up for it yourself, so do you have a suggestion to regulate them not doing your job?

Personally I have a little more love for Liberty than that.

Before you roll your eyes too hard, don't forget I live in a place that my wife get through a sign on the side of a truck and say she's a builder tomorrow, she doesn't even need to sign or a truck. LOL

Lots of ****in bubbas out there no insurance, no permits, no payroll, 1099 everybody.

I'll compete against that everyday before I would go to a regulatory state
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Can we play cop or fireman or other union gig on the side for Bennie's? We're trying to support our family's too.
The answer is yes - do the work and get the job and do contracting on the side if that's awesome.

That was my whole point.

I'd be frustrated too, but bitching is like a rocking chair, gives you something to do but doesn't get you anywhere

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Just so no one is confused, IMO BI's looking the other way eith firemen and police isn't so much a brother thing, it's concern about slow response if they are ever needed.
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That is called a shift swap or shift trade and it is all straight time at every full time department that i personally know of.

I doubt most city’s would turn a blind eye to that....the city budget is public and accountable, if your city allows that then shame on them.

When someone does a shift swap then they “owe” that swap back to the person they did it for.






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No issue with a even swap but these guys get OT, I think it could be just our area but it has gone to another level in the last few years. And I won't even get into the boat checks when they retire at 50 supposedly without ever taking a day off.

Many many here are going to Texas and Georgia now, for every person moving to NJ 2 are leaving. You guys will be complaining like me in no time at all.
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Just so no one is confused, IMO BI's looking the other way eith firemen and police isn't so much a brother thing, it's concern about slow response if they are ever needed.
could very well, be but they always do the brother thing when coming or going, I saw that with an electrician I used. His helper was on site when the inspector came, they just BS'd for a while and gave me the sticker without looking at anything. They did not work in the same town either, the helper was wearing a fire dept shirt
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when they retire at 50 supposedly without ever taking a day off.
A few years ago recent years a neighbor retired. The town had financial problems....like much of NJ trying pay the gravy train.
Anyway the Town had a cut the guy a check somewhere in the neighborhood of 400,000 because he apparently didn't take any of his days off or he had so many days off anyway that he only seldom-used it.

So in addition to making lifelong income, excellent salaries they get a walk away bonus in many cases of a lot of money. It's not that uncommon.
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If there's an accident God forbid we don't have 3 ambulances, 7 cop cars and 2 firetrucks there. And then we hear about how they need more

My problem is t if someone wants to get in construction as a side gig... I got no issue with that whatsoever. My point is that we started about illegals but it ain't just Illegal immigrants who are killing wages.

I'm not bitching for myself, I personally don't compete against these people. I'm just trying to point out that the whole system is ****ed up and if we're going to let some people do it without all the rules then everyone should be able to. Saying we shouldn't let illegals in the trade but turning a blind eye when it's a citizen is nonsense. Both are cheating. We either take out the regulation that restricts most or force all to play by the same rules.
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Like I said, get mad at the government for not doing their job more than anything.

I get what your sayin, but it's the government's fault for.making rules they don't enforce - just like rrk and Tom Ms municiplalities. ****s the guys who do the right thing

Same thing for not enough cops, fireman. Get mad at your government if there is too many, we are short handed generally here, sometimes very short handed.
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If there's an accident God forbid we don't have 3 ambulances, 7 cop cars and 2 firetrucks there. And then we hear about how they need more

My problem is t if someone wants to get in construction as a side gig... I got no issue with that whatsoever. My point is that we started about illegals but it ain't just Illegal immigrants who are killing wages.

I'm not bitching for myself, I personally don't compete against these people. I'm just trying to point out that the whole system is ****ed up and if we're going to let some people do it without all the rules then everyone should be able to. Saying we shouldn't let illegals in the trade but turning a blind eye when it's a citizen is nonsense. Both are cheating. We either take out the regulation that restricts most or force all to play by the same rules.
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I would rather deal with the problems "others" create first and then we can deal with the problems "our own" create.
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The answer is pretty simple.... same rules for everyone...

Lawyers have to have a law degree to represent a paying client... no exceptions... don't see how that's any different here, whether they're illegal or not...

But it amazes me that an illegal can break the law coming in (when there is a process in place for legitimate entry), break the law in creating false federal and state documents to use, operate illegally running a business, not pay taxes or employer taxes, etc.

Can YOU get away with ANY of that legally?...
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And be more protected by our government more than the law-abiding citizens!!!!

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