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Old 01-08-2019, 07:08 PM   #81
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Iím all for it bro. Some are legit. Some are all cash. None of my business.


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My gutter guy is a fireman. Went fire service right out of the Marines. He worked as a hand on an air conditioning crew for a while then switched to gutters.

Now he has a fully legit business, does great work, keeps his obligations and has a fully wrapped trailer and clean professional truck.

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My gutter guy is a fireman. Went fire service right out of the Marines. He worked as a hand on an air conditioning crew for a while then switched to gutters.

Now he has a fully legit business, does great work, keeps his obligations and has a fully wrapped trailer and clean professional truck.

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Just got a text from another fireman I work for who needs a COI Does about 4-5 new houses a year. Fully legit. My neighbor isnít legit at all.


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There is a mix of hacks and legit here. A guy I played football with in high school is a fireman and does remodels. Does good work, not sure about taxes or insurance but he is cheap

Our fireman aren't well paid locally. I'd have a second gig regardless, but definitely if I wasn't making much at my day job
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You guys look at this stuff so weird to me. If I was a fireman I would I couldn't give one **** what any of y all think in the competition. Lol. I'm off 4 days a week in gonna make more money.

Don't assume they don't have insurance unless you know. I did side work when I was younger, by the time I was 24 I was insured with general liability. I also paid my taxes.
It's excessive here. The sub crews get killed by these double dippers. They drag down their rates. I see it with tile, flooring, plumbing and electrical. Carpentry is minor stuff.they don't get involved in big remodels for time reasons. Although I have encountered my shared if abandoned homeowners with a mess.
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You guys look at this stuff so weird to me. If I was a fireman I would I couldn't give one **** what any of y all think in the competition. Lol. I'm off 4 days a week in gonna make more money.

Don't assume they don't have insurance unless you know. I did side work when I was younger, by the time I was 24 I was insured with general liability. I also paid my taxes.
The issue I have with it, is that we taxpayers are footing the bill for the fireman's health insurance, retirement, vacation pay, etc.

So to some degree, they don't have to pay the same freight that I do in order to make money on a project. He's just making some side $$ so he can buy a new boat or something.

I need to pull in about $35K/year in order to cover my insurances, puts a legit contractor like me at a significant disadvantage when competing against these guys.

I don't regularly run into situations when I directly compete with the fireman or other moonlighter but it does happen. More often around here with deck builder and small remodel jobs.
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The issue I have with it, is that we taxpayers are footing the bill for the fireman's health insurance, retirement, vacation pay, etc.

So to some degree, they don't have to pay the same freight that I do in order to make money on a project. He's just making some side $$ so he can buy a new boat or something.

I need to pull in about $35K/year in order to cover my insurances, puts a legit contractor like me at a significant disadvantage when competing against these guys.

I don't regularly run into situations when I directly compete with the fireman or other moonlighter but it does happen. More often around here with deck builder and small remodel jobs.
I always say if they can't rein in the violators at least give the legit give a tax break of at 30k a year to offset it.
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So what's wrong with the US economy, the scumbag firefighters or the scumbag immigrants?

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So what's wrong with the US economy, the scumbag firefighters or the scumbag immigrants?

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Regardless Tom, no disrespect I wouldn't give a ****. It's not in their contract to not have a second job man. We the taxpayer or paying their insurance as part of their pay. Here in town will pay is low, they get insurance vacation of retirement to make up for that. If your Locale is not keeping up with that standard that's not their problem either, they're just going to get a fatter check those benefits and are completely free to run a business on the side

This is still a somewhat free country lol.

If they're not carrying the insurance is required by law then they are a hack and they need to be out of business not that they will be. Because the government doesn't enforce anything

I get what you're saying, and I understand, it doesn't change the fact though. Those guys are not slaves to being fireman oh, there is no contract that says they can't have additional work. So they're going to work additionally
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The issue I have with it, is that we taxpayers are footing the bill for the fireman's health insurance, retirement, vacation pay, etc.

So to some degree, they don't have to pay the same freight that I do in order to make money on a project. He's just making some side $$ so he can buy a new boat or something.

I need to pull in about $35K/year in order to cover my insurances, puts a legit contractor like me at a significant disadvantage when competing against these guys.

I don't regularly run into situations when I directly compete with the fireman or other moonlighter but it does happen. More often around here with deck builder and small remodel jobs.
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So what's wrong with the US economy, the scumbag firefighters or the scumbag immigrants?

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The economy is good now. A spoke to guy this week that went to Canada for work during our recession.

The immigrants drove down wages for years here. In the past decade the gravy train for State employees has come around to bite to now. It's just a large volume of people playing contractor.
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Construction is a side gig for me...am i a hack?

Is it not fair that i do this on the side because i get my benefits from somewhere else?

Sorry but if a firefighter works 40 hours a week and if he chooses to do construction on the side that is his business... no different than me I work 60 hours a week total to support my family.

Every contractor i know that does this full-time gets their health insurance through their spouses unless they are union contractor. I Honestly donít know a single guy that provides his own health insurance...

For example the tuckpointer that works on and off with me when his business is slow gets health insurance through his wife that is a nurse practitioner.....

Are we saying this is not fair?





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Construction is a side gig for me...am i a hack?

Is it not fair that i do this on the side because i get my benefits from somewhere else?

Sorry but if a firefighter works 40 hours a week and if he chooses to do construction on the side that is his business... no different than me I work 60 hours a week total to support my family.

Every contractor i know that does this full-time gets their health insurance through their spouses unless they are union contractor. I Honestly donít know a single guy that provides his own health insurance...

For example the tuckpointer that works on and off with me when his business is slow gets health insurance through his wife that is a nurse practitioner.....

Are we saying this is not fair?





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Regardless Tom, no disrespect I wouldn't give a ****. It's not in their contract to not have a second job man. We the taxpayer or paying their insurance as part of their pay. Here in town will pay is low, they get insurance vacation of retirement to make up for that. If your Locale is not keeping up with that standard that's not their problem either, they're just going to get a fatter check those benefits and are completely free to run a business on the side

This is still a somewhat free country lol.

If they're not carrying the insurance is required by law then they are a hack and they need to be out of business not that they will be. Because the government doesn't enforce anything

I get what you're saying, and I understand, it doesn't change the fact though. Those guys are not slaves to being fireman oh, there is no contract that says they can't have additional work. So they're going to work additionally

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If they're footing the same bill these other trim guys are to be in business, by all means, have at it.

The problem I have is doing it without following the same rules AND collecting an overinflated check, pension, and Benny's from the tax payer. We're getting fuct twice by these guys. Not cool.

I don't know how it is there but here firemen have this huge ego that they are God's gift because they take Grandma to the hospital once a week. One of my buddies bragged to me that his station was way out east, had 2 calls in 2 weeks (both car accidents), makes 70k a year everything paid. Then he had the gall to tell me he took someone out on his boat flats fishing 2 days a week for $450 per trip with zero expenses except gas!

Now he ain't a contractor but captains have quite a few expenses too that they have to pay. His buddy is a trim carpenter who I believe does the same, gets on with a crew because he's a decent carpenter.

I'm not a fan of the firemen around here if you can tell. A few of the guys are there for the right reasons and they're really good guys but we probably have as many firemen as California except they put out as many fires as someone in Nova Scotia... It's more like it's just a better way to get ahead while working on a different career without any risk. Seems to be the norm here.
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Can we play cop or fireman or other union gig on the side for Bennie's? We're trying to support our family's too.
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Can we play cop or fireman or other union gig on the side for Bennie's? We're trying to support our family's too.


Go ahead....apply and do it. Almost anyone can apply for any of those jobs you mentioned

When you are eating dinner with your family or celebrating new years they are on the side of the road peeling a dead body from a wreck or up most of the night running calls...sure not every day is hell but they dont sit around collecting a check for nothing.


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Dang , whatís with all the hate for firemen ? Like others have said if they are working without licenses , insurance, not paying taxes, etc. then they are hacks .
If they are doing things in compliance with the law , and are following good trade practices, more power to them

The same is true for Mexican , Honduran, Japanese , Greek or whatever . I donít have a problem with where you come from or what color your skin is

I do have a problem with million upon million of illegal immigrants flooding the labor market and my government doing nothing about it . I have a problem with the same government allowing businesses to exploit these illegals and gain unfair advantages over hard working American citizens and legal immigrants.
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Go ahead....apply and do it. Almost anyone can apply for any of those jobs you mentioned

When you are eating dinner with your family or celebrating new years they are on the side of the road peeling a dead body from a wreck or up most of the night running calls...sure not every day is hell but they dont sit around collecting a check for nothing.


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Yep

2 things -

1 for that "over inflated" check they will be asked to do things at least a few times throughout the career that most wouldn't dream of. Plus dinners, games, recitals, holidays, ect...

2 - sign up and do it yourself if you think it's such a great deal.... don't worry I'll wait and hold my breath while the thread vanishes and all y all go sign up....

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I pay for my own benefits and real tired of the cops and firemen who complain that they have to pay a $10 copay and $100 a month while making $100k. Doing electrical, plumbing without licenses, or GC work without insurance or permits. There is not 1 building inspector who would ever give them a violation, I know because I had to make a job pass inspection after he got caught. No fine, no violation no nothing.
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A hack is a hack. Fireman or not. They need to be legal.

I'd be mad at my municipality not the fireman
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I pay for my own benefits and real tired of the cops and firemen who complain that they have to pay a $10 copay and $100 a month while making $100k. Doing electrical, plumbing without licenses, or GC work without insurance or permits. There is not 1 building inspector who would ever give them a violation, I know because I had to make a job pass inspection after he got caught. No fine, no violation no nothing.
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1 for that "over inflated" check they will be asked to do things at least a few times throughout the career that most wouldn't dream of. Plus dinners, games, recitals, holidays, ect...

2 - sign up and do it yourself if you think it's such a great deal.... don't worry I'll wait and hold my breath while the thread vanishes and all y all go sign up....

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Ever hear of the fire dept 2 step?
Fireman "A" wants to take tuesday off, he asks fireman"B" to cover, he says yes at overtime rates. Fireman "B" then takes off his normal day thursday and has fireman "A" work in his place also at overtime rate. The taxpayers get screwed all around. No one says a word because they are all "brothers" and it has been going on for years and no one wants to stop the gravy train.

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