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Old 01-06-2019, 08:43 PM   #41
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I don't know what the numbers are, and I didn't think it was enforced well here....but about 3 years ago I was on a big jobsite; 450 unit apartment building. Two boarder patrol officers come in after two tile setters. One wrestles one tile setter to the floor and the other one takes off and hides in the construction washroom. (Think toilet with 5/8" plywood stall built around it). The other officer kicks in the plywood door and grabs the guy.

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Old 01-06-2019, 08:46 PM   #42
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inner10 - you sound a bit off.

really defending things you really have`t lived full time.

we` arent a bunch of racist whiners.

i live in miami



i see almost every roofer with latins who are picked up at home depot. they are paid under the table to rip roofs off. i know roofers who do this.



4 or 5 groups get together , and share an insurance policy , so they seem legal.only one has to be , and he shares the wealth for a few bucks



the drywall , and finisher i use to use "enrique" is cheap , and does real good work for half the going rate , all his guys were illegals.

i don`t do big jobs any more , but i know he has about 10-15 guys . illegals.



i had a kid working for me 10 years back . paid him $80 a day . his brother came in from guatemala.

he was making $3 a day there . here he made $80 the day he got here .



this is all common



i am the only american i see in my trade most days .

i deal great with latins , but it is definitely a bit overwhelming that 90% are latin .



no exageration





the wage is lower because of this





you want facts on paper?

your in the wrong thread .



were talking about our actual life experience here

you don`t want to believe it ?

ok.



why would we lie ?



drama?
I don't live there so I really don't know what it's like. Guess things are a bit different up north. I just find it funny that a guy spouts off without any numbers.

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by the way


just this afternoon , my neighbor, Latin ,across the street , turned my price down.
he wanted me to cut a concrete wall, so he could put a doorway into his garage , to rent it out
he also wanted me to seal the electric garage door shut , , and put a wall in front of it inside
and a fence to give the new renter privacy.
he said his brother law has a guy who can do it for half .
i`m not a high price guy ,seriously . i drive a 2002 van , and wife drives 2006 s.u.v . small house ,. i charge a middle of the line wage. ive actually asked other contractors who do my same type of work.

for a guy to do it for half , he as to be illegal.
he can` be doing it to code ( i only do it to code)
but he`s my neighbor , and a nice guy

what do you do ?
its a typical miami thing


yes , its a fact
illegals bring our prices down
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I don't live there so I really don't know what it's like. Guess things are a bit different up north. I just find it funny that a guy spouts off without any numbers.

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its just a common thing here .

any working guy i talk to here agrees

even the legal Latins here , don`t like illegals

most well to do Latins who hire me say " i don`t want a latin job , thats why i called you"

like that guy said in the video,most illegals are just hard working stiffs
they have no over head, they can get buy on $80 a day. that is big money to them.
they don`t make trouble because they don`t want to draw attention to themselves.

but their shear numbers , and presence makes it so most homeowners can`t resist the cheaper costs.

after the last hurricane , i stopped all fence work
i gave the going rate , even checked with my suppliers

but after bidding about 10-15 of them i found the going rate was actually half my numbers
any decent handyman can build a fence .
but allot short change the client by not digging the postholes deep, using half a bag of concrete , instead of 2 bags per hole, they put 4x4`s 6-8 feet apart instead of the 4 feet span the code requires
the ut 2 horizontal 2x4`s instead of , and use common bright nails instead of galvanized

they can really cut the linear foot cost to do work

same with decking


same with painting !
you can paint over a house that hasn't been pressure cleaned , and use the cheapest home depot paint.
your in and out in half the time , it looks great for a year.

all typical illegals , who really don`t concern themselves with things like " codes " , or " quality"

it is a reality
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Forget about freebies. A lot of the working ones in Texas that are sending their money back home may live 20 to a rented house, and buy big bags of rice and big bags of beans at Albertson's and wind up living really cheaply.

Nobody supporting a family in the US could afford to work for the same wages.

And yes, legal or illegal, they can get all the free medical care they need.
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I live in Virginia , a long way from the border . In Richmond , where I do most of my work, Hispanics are very common in the trades.

On new construction it is uncommon to see native born Americans working . The vast majority of framers , roofers , drywallers , and painters are Hispanic. Landscaping is almost entirely Hispanic . Most laborers in all the trades are Hispanic.

I live in a small town in a rural county , a very large percentage of farm workers in the area are Hispanic. The sawmills and factories in my area employ mostly Hispanics.

I donít ask for identification but, I think itís a good bet that most of these folks are illegal. I have talked to quite a few that have admitted to being here illegally.

I donít have a problem with these guys personally, like the fellow in the video , I find that for the most part they are hard working and honest.

Maybe it is a coincidence but , I have noticed wages have been stagnant for years around here.
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t they wind up with bill collectors and bad credit. The US born poor person will at least have more charity options for the bill and possibly also be eligible for medicaid.
So yeah, an undocumented immigrant can get emergency room care but they're not going to get regular checkups or care for anything that isn't immediately life threatening, or follow up care.
Bill collectors? since they give no identification where are the bill collectors going to find them?

I worked on a job several years ago where the painter who had a green card from Honduras brought his father up from Honduras to have a heart operation. He went to the hospital, a week later he had the operation, in the hospital 2 weeks, then was sent to an extended stay hotel where aides came to him to check him every day for 3 more weeks, then sent him back to Honduras. The only thing he paid for was his flight here. Paid for nothing else, gave no identification to the hospital at all, he was contacted through his ons cell phone. His son said you amigos should learn how to use the system. His son did not file taxes either, he had a very common name and said if they come after him he would go back to Honduras but it would take a while to locate him. He cashed all checks at a check cashing place or was paid in cash.
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same with painting !
you can paint over a house that hasn't been pressure cleaned , and use the cheapest home depot paint.
your in and out in half the time , it looks great for a year.

all typical illegals , who really don`t concern themselves with things like " codes " , or " quality"

it is a reality
the mother of one of my customers had her giant 8k sf house painted last year by a illegal from Ecuador for half the cost of a legitimate painter who's also a legal citizen from Mexico. She said he was half the cost and had a wonderful accent. He never power washed the house and now the guy from Mexico has to sand the paint off where it has not peeled yet and repaint. Even he complains about the illegals since he loses jobs to them, said people get mad at him for what the illegals do.
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I don't know what the numbers are, and I didn't think it was enforced well here....but about 3 years ago I was on a big jobsite; 450 unit apartment building. Two boarder patrol officers come in after two tile setters. One wrestles one tile setter to the floor and the other one takes off and hides in the construction washroom. (Think toilet with 5/8" plywood stall built around it). The other officer kicks in the plywood door and grabs the guy.

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That would rarely if ever happen here.
I do work in a "sanctuary city" where when an "undocumented immigrant" commits a traffic violation or gets into an accident he is immediately released even though he does not have a license but is not allowed to drive the car it happened in. The other car in the accident insurance company must cover everything. But heaven forbid you should hit them with your car when they are a pedestrian, you are royally screwed. They just hit the lottery.
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I don't live there so I really don't know what it's like. Guess things are a bit different up north. I just find it funny that a guy spouts off without any numbers.

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And that is pretty disrespectful saying "spouts off"....just because you don't like the anecdotal way the information is relayed.

There are no numbers on paper because no one really knows because cash is king. How is that?

How can anyone know what taxes are being paid and how much tax avoidance is taking place? Answer: They cannot know....because when it means "off the books", it is just that. No paper. No payroll records.

Now, how does the IRS catch guys doing it? During an audit, bank records reveal cash withdrawals...or when a contractor deposits a check and asks for say $1,000 in cash back, and there is a pattern of this, then you can rightly assume that someone is being paid under the table.

Split hairs with numbers all day long...but it is what it is. I don't pay any labor directly outside of casual stiff...like a couple of high school kids cleaning up or sweeping a house out on a weekend....I don't care about a few hundred in cash.....but I keep legitimate books, and if one of my subs does not have insurance and a WC certificate, then no work. But I am not going around seeing what he does on payday. Not my monkey, not my circus.

There are some that think a GC has an absolute responsibility to verify everyone on a job site is legal....and that ain't so here...as long as we are paying a contractor legitimately, and they have WC....it isn't a law here except for licensed trades to even carry GL. But I go further and demand GL from my subs.

I will speculate though that there are fewer illegals working around here now then in the past 3 decades....the money is too good in the oil fields and there is little "excess" labor....but there are still illegals here.....
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As long as cash is in play, then people will break the rules. Make everything electronic, and suddenly the metrics change.

Imagine...you can't work if you don't have a bank account.

You can't get a bank account if you do not have a social security number, and e-verify takes place immediately.

Imagine....employers would not have to do payroll taxes...the banks would do it when the electronic deposit comes in from the employer.

Yep....big brother......but we have the technology to make illegal or under the table work and workers end forever. No drug money either.....

But then again....your drug dealers on the corners would all have that cube thing on a smart phone and run your credit card for meth.
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There was a guy in my area a few years ago who's bookkeeper stole $400,000 from his petty cash fund in 3 years.

Who needs $400k in petty cash ? Who knows how much was really taken since it was kept in a file cabinet.

It is a safe bet that was used to pay under the table workers
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There was a guy in my area a few years ago who's bookkeeper stole $400,000 from his petty cash fund in 3 years.

Who needs $400k in petty cash ? Who knows how much was really taken since it was kept in a file cabinet.

It is a safe bet that was used to pay under the table workers
Either that or he REALLY liked to party!
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There was a guy in my area a few years ago who's bookkeeper stole $400,000 from his petty cash fund in 3 years.



Who needs $400k in petty cash ? Who knows how much was really taken since it was kept in a file cabinet.



It is a safe bet that was used to pay under the table workers


Friend of mine secretary stole a lot of cash from him too. He ran a legit company but like everyone else around here dabbled in a decent amount of cash. Few of the crews needed to be paid in cash every Friday. She only took 20k he thinks over a couple of years.


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E-Verify doesn't really work.

I had a young guy from Honduras work for me for a few years. I ran his SS and other info through E-Verify. They gave me the all clear.

I filed his W4 with one exemption, when he got his first paycheck he asked me what was with all the taxes taken out. Then he told me he had 5 kids. I asked what kids? He told me his kids were in California and he needed to claim 5 dependents.

This guy was 19 years old, I changed the withholding and he was happy. The name on his paycheck was not the name he was called by. He always went to the check cashing place.

At the time that ID he gave me was for a 5 year work visa. This guy is now a mini contractor doing all sorts of contract work, bathrooms, basements, etc. His 5 year visa was up about 10 years ago.

Another guy worked for one of my GC's and was injured on the job. The Insurance company wanted do do an investigation. Not for blame, but for future risk mitigation.
When the investigator came to the job site and asked the worker his date of birth, the worker said hang on I have to run out to my car for a minute......he couldn't recall the false information he was using for his work ID.

The other guys on the job told me that guy had 3 or 4 different ID's that he used.
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As long as cash is in play, then people will break the rules. Make everything electronic, and suddenly the metrics change.

Imagine...you can't work if you don't have a bank account.

You can't get a bank account if you do not have a social security number, and e-verify takes place immediately.

Imagine....employers would not have to do payroll taxes...the banks would do it when the electronic deposit comes in from the employer.

Yep....big brother......but we have the technology to make illegal or under the table work and workers end forever. No drug money either.....

But then again....your drug dealers on the corners would all have that cube thing on a smart phone and run your credit card for meth.
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E-Verify doesn't really work.

I had a young guy from Honduras work for me for a few years. I ran his SS and other info through E-Verify. They gave me the all clear.

I filed his W4 with one exemption, when he got his first paycheck he asked me what was with all the taxes taken out. Then he told me he had 5 kids. I asked what kids? He told me his kids were in California and he needed to claim 5 dependents.

This guy was 19 years old, I changed the withholding and he was happy. The name on his paycheck was not the name he was called by. He always went to the check cashing place.

At the time that ID he gave me was for a 5 year work visa. This guy is now a mini contractor doing all sorts of contract work, bathrooms, basements, etc. His 5 year visa was up about 10 years ago.

Another guy worked for one of my GC's and was injured on the job. The Insurance company wanted do do an investigation. Not for blame, but for future risk mitigation.
When the investigator came to the job site and asked the worker his date of birth, the worker said hang on I have to run out to my car for a minute......he couldn't recall the false information he was using for his work ID.

The other guys on the job told me that guy had 3 or 4 different ID's that he used.
Exactly just because they're immigrants does not mean they are stupid. They share ID and nobody connects the dots or is looking too hard.
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Trump wants E-Verify to be the law of the land.....and guess who is against it?
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Exactly just because they're immigrants does not mean they are stupid. They share ID and nobody connects the dots or is looking too hard.
They don't care.

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