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Old 07-16-2015, 09:00 AM   #21
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So with that logic there's no such thing as cheating?
I never heard anything about cheating. Most rule breaking was intentional - it really is part of the game. Th NHL version is tame compared to the HS version when I was a kid, IMO.

Deflating or over inflating footballs would be breaking the rules, not cheating. Playing hockey with a stick blade that has too much curve is breaking the rules, not cheating.
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Old 07-16-2015, 09:03 AM   #22
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What are you talking about?
me "you", or some other "you"? The original post was about the Patriots supposedly deflating footballs to gain an edge.
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The original post was about the Patriots supposedly deflating footballs to gain an edge.
Honestly, I really don't think Tom Brady or the Patriots were intentionally skirting the rules, trying to gain an edge, or deliberately cheating.

I DO believe however, the deflator was under strict instructions to lower the Pat's game balls to the minimum 12.5 psi, and leave the Colts game balls wherever. With the weather and all the gas law stuff.... Brady knew his game balls would then get even softer as the game went on, which he likes. Absolutely nothing wrong with that.

What was obvious though, was the buffoonery the NFL displayed in their control of the game balls in such an important game and their methods of testing. For that reason, I don't feel the fines against the team or Brady's suspension was warranted at all.

As much as I dislike the team and their coach (Brady's not a bad guy), I just don't think they were treated fairly at all in this.
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I never heard anything about cheating. Most rule breaking was intentional - it really is part of the game. Th NHL version is tame compared to the HS version when I was a kid, IMO.

Deflating or over inflating footballs would be breaking the rules, not cheating. Playing hockey with a stick blade that has too much curve is breaking the rules, not cheating.
Plenty of ways of cheating. Steroids. Scouting opposition practices. Bribery. You don't get 2 minutes for these infractions.
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Plenty of ways of cheating. Steroids. Scouting opposition practices. Bribery. You don't get 2 minutes for these infractions.
I'd agree these are cheating. Also stealing base signals from the stands. I don't consider spit ballers as cheats, any more than I would consider sliding in spike high cheating.
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What was obvious though, was the buffoonery the NFL displayed in their control of the game balls in such an important game and their methods of testing. For that reason, I don't feel the fines against the team or Brady's suspension was warranted at all.
McIntyre showed the NFL actually overinflated Patriot balls. So what happens to the NFL guys?

Apparently over inflation of the Patriot's balls had been complained about before, but internal to the team from what I gather. No sense in complaining on the field about it if the gauge that's going to be used is wrong.
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I'd agree these are cheating. Also stealing base signals from the stands. I don't consider spit ballers as cheats, any more than I would consider sliding in spike high cheating.
What about conspiring to have the equipment guy inflate footballs? 10 yrd. Penalty?

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Imo anything premeditated would be cheating
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McIntyre showed the NFL actually overinflated Patriot balls. So what happens to the NFL guys?

Apparently over inflation of the Patriot's balls had been complained about before, but internal to the team from what I gather. No sense in complaining on the field about it if the gauge that's going to be used is wrong.
I'm assuming you are referring to the part in the Wells report, where he found one of the balls inflated to like 16 # psi after a Jets game? I didn't really understand that part at all. Because I was under the assumption that each team "prepared" their own balls prior to the game. Something about that rule being pushed into being by Brady and Manning several years ago.

But, I TOTALLY agree about the gauge thing. There should be a standard gauge used for everyone across the board. Teams, referees equipment managers, ball boys.... everyone. That right there would have eliminated about 80% of this whole debacle.
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Than all the NFL people combined? Jesus Christ.
Yeah, oh look the ball is at the improper PSI here let's quick fix it to the correct pressure.

There done.
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Imo anything premeditated would be cheating
Intentional rule breaking, then.
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Intentional rule breaking, then.
Why wouldn't that be cheating?
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Why wouldn't that be cheating?
The dictionary definition would say it's cheating, at least the way I read it.

Breaking the rules has always been an important part of how hockey is taught and played. AFAIK, everyone expects it. Get too rough or dangerous, and expect a defenseman to intentionally put the hurt on you, quite possibly intentionally breaking the rules. Everyone playing the game knows it - the unwritten rules.

I've never heard that punching out someone on the ice was cheating - it just doesn't compute, at least from the frozen North perspective.

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