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Old 01-25-2019, 08:03 PM   #21
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Before you come across as an uncouthe jackass realize that many may have loved ones suffering from or lost a loved one to cancer. The sentiment is real and empathy deserved.

HIV is an incredibly complex disease that is completely preventable. STD in and of itself proclaims a way to not get such a disease. Cancer... No such luck. I know if my wife, or kids, or parents had cancer for no reason other than because they were breathing... I'd be a little irritated that people are spending a lot of time and money on transmitted diseases instead of ones that are inherent.

You read it as a conspiracy. I read it as Randy saying why fund these things when we could divert the money to more worthy causes... Fair enough sentiment to me.

Personally any breakthrough is good, I'm not going to begrudge someone of any sort of process in which it may help them grieve...
C'mon, imagine you came home and told your wife you cured AIDS and all she says is "AIDS? Why didn't you cure cancer!".
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C'mon, imagine you came home and told your wife you cured AIDS and all she says is "AIDS? Why didn't you cure cancer!".
So , you’ve met my wife
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C'mon, imagine you came home and told your wife you cured AIDS and all she says is "AIDS? Why didn't you cure cancer!".
I can't even cure a cold...
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I can't even cure a cold...
No one can!

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That's because most every cold each year is different. Just like the flu. You'll find that as you get older you get the cold less often. Unless you get an influx in immigrants. Imo.


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STD in and of itself proclaims a way to not get such a disease. Cancer... No such luck.
You don't know until you know. Throat cancer and cervical cancer weren't understood until they were. Now we know HPV (a STD) can and does cause them, and there is a vaccine available. There is at least a possibility now that an actual cure for those infected who haven't developed cancer yet will be developed.

If you want to cure cancer, you have to go after all of them, since you're always learning new things, and you never know when a breakthrough in one cab be adapted to another.
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I thinks its safe to say that most have lost loved ones to cancer. If I sounded unsympathetic to that, I apologize. I see the flip side of what you just mentioned. It's not helping anyone to say that loved ones died because someone wanted to make a buck of treating them.
While your initial point was a little off, them wanting to make MORE than a buck is not unheard of... in insurance companies, hospitals, and pharmaceuticals... for pharma, many times it's what the market allows, but the thing about markets is, some can be affected/removed because of costs... but they factor that in when making the raise (i.e. widest potential audience who will use or are forced to use at the highest price)...

Price of Cancer Drugs Has Skyrocketed Since 2000... https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...sskyrocketed#1

"Patients are increasingly taking on the burden of paying for these high-cost specialty drugs as plans move toward use of higher deductibles and co-insurance — where a patient will pay a percentage of the drug cost rather than a flat copay," said study author Stacie Dusetzina, Ph.D., an assistant professor at the University of North Carolina, in a press release.

In addition, the researchers say, the prices of those drugs increase rapidly even after their first year on the market.

Venook said cancer patients are sometimes put into the position of deciding if they want to drain their finances to slow the progression of their disease.

He has one patient who has been taking Gleevec for years. It’s been effective, but the woman recently decided to take the pill only four times a week to save money.

Valeant acquired the rights to the cardiac-care drugs Isuprel and Nitropress last year. They quickly raised the medications’ prices by 525 percent and 212 percent, respectively, according to the Wall Street Journal.

Turing made the news last year when the company bought the rights to the drug Daraprim and then raised the price per pill from $13 to $750."

I would imagine if an AIDS cure is realized, the highest profit margin will be sought...

I'm not against these companies profiting or funding R&D, it's when they do things like the above, that I don't understand how they're not targeted for "gouging"...
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Israelis may have done it!

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Looks like the Israelis have been busy...

A CURE FOR CANCER? ISRAELI SCIENTISTS SAY THEY THINK THEY FOUND ONE

“We believe we will offer in a year's time a complete cure for cancer."


https://www.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENCE...und-one-578939

Encouraging quote from the article...

Our cancer cure will be effective from day one, will last a duration of a few weeks and will have no or minimal side-effects at a much lower cost than most other treatments on the market,” Aridor said. “Our solution will be both generic and personal.”
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I saw that article earlier this evening KAP.

My wife and I both said, those fellas probably shouldn't travel on the same airplane together.

My wife knows someone that works for one of the alphabet agencies, she was told that there are, and have been for a long time, cost effective ways to treat and cure cancers, but the treatments will not be brought to market because the money is not there.
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I saw that article earlier this evening KAP.

My wife and I both said, those fellas probably shouldn't travel on the same airplane together.

My wife knows someone that works for one of the alphabet agencies, she was told that there are, and have been for a long time, cost effective ways to treat and cure cancers, but the treatments will not be brought to market because the money is not there.
If there's a cure for cancer it won't be cheap. That intellectual property is worth trillions of dollars. And it will get paid because I'm pretty sure I'm just short of a billion dollars a year deductible.
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Insurance companies run our health industry, and even moreso after Barricare. The insurance industry in this country I'd argue is as big or bigger than big pharma. So how do you square that circle? Is a cure not being revealed? if so you must believe the insurance industry is cool with just paying for the cancer 'maintenance'.

When I was a kid, many moons ago our family doctor had his own practice and ran it for what it was, a small community business. Medical was much more personable. The biggest difference is, my parents had insurance but didn't really use it unless it was something big. They paid out of pocket for my two broken arms and the many stiches I got. It was not super cheap but it was affordable on my dad's single income.

Medical insurance back then wasn't healthcare nor was it intended to be. The same reason my auto insurance doesn't pay for my tires or my oil changes.


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Insurance companies run our health industry, and even moreso after Barricare. The insurance industry in this country I'd argue is as big or bigger than big pharma. So how do you square that circle? Is a cure not being revealed? if so you must believe the insurance industry is cool with just paying for the cancer 'maintenance'.

When I was a kid, many moons ago our family doctor had his own practice and ran it for what it was, a small community business. Medical was much more personable. The biggest difference is, my parents had insurance but didn't really use it unless it was something big. They paid out of pocket for my two broken arms and the many stiches I got. It was not super cheap but it was affordable on my dad's single income.

Medical insurance back then wasn't healthcare nor was it intended to be. The same reason my auto insurance doesn't pay for my tires or my oil changes.


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I thought I read an article recently talking about how there was a change Trump made in the healthcare regulations whereby hospitals had to list their charges for transparency...

Makes you wonder why it wasn't the case to begin with, but that'll be interesting for two reasons (I'm sure there are others)...
1) to see the difference from one hospital to the next...

2) to review your insurance coverage, who's supposed to be negotiating rates on your behalf, to find out how effective the insurance companies are...
Also the reasons why I don't think it'll be allowed to actually go into effect... they'll find a way around it...
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It already took effect Jan 1. Here's one example; I dare you to figure out from that just what a minor visit to the ER would cost.

https://www.geisinger.org/-/media/On...1-19.pdf?la=en
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I saw a report on that. They list standard costs, not negotiated costs.

Still, it's a great idea.
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It already took effect Jan 1. Here's one example; I dare you to figure out from that just what a minor visit to the ER would cost.

https://www.geisinger.org/-/media/On...1-19.pdf?la=en
I had to go to the ER on January 3rd and just got my bill... ****ing ridiculous. $4500 after a $300 copay... Guess what insurance pays? Fukall, and I have pretty good insurance.

Why have insurance if they refuse to pay for anything? I'm going to shoot myself in the foot at the end of the year or something just so I can get my deductible covered and feel better about using the insurance I pay for...
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My dogs were playing and one dog's mouth got twisted up in my others collar, she started to choke. My wife intervened and got bit inadvertently. I ran downstairs and jumped in and I got a small bite. Went to emergency. I was slightly bleeding and while I was waiting for my wife the nurse nonchalantly asked me if I wanted a band-aid. I said sure. Insurance paid everything but we get to see the charges. They charged 1500 bucks for that Band-Aid.


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It already took effect Jan 1. Here's one example; I dare you to figure out from that just what a minor visit to the ER would cost.

https://www.geisinger.org/-/media/On...1-19.pdf?la=en
LOL... yeah that's a head-scratcher for the average person, but I think the hope in time is that people will do exactly that... same injury, different hospitals, draws attention to the disparity and questions will start to be asked...

Like... how in the world did a bandage cost $1500 and why would an insurance company "negotiate" such a ridiculous amount if they're working on our behalf to "save us money"? Once that gate is open, people will be asking for a crib-notes version... it's the scrutiny that matters...

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It doesn't matter much for the ER, if you need to go, you're going.

Last time I went was for lyme. Just needed the antubioticprescription. Overall cost about like Mike's, but the prescription was $100 to fill.

When I got both hands badly torn up by a dog, I didn't go. No tendons needed reattached, no severed arteries, so it was handled with butterflies at home.
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It doesn't matter much for the ER, if you need to go, you're going.

Last time I went was for lyme. Just needed the antubioticprescription. Overall cost about like Mike's, but the prescription was $100 to fill.

When I got both hands badly torn up by a dog, I didn't go. No tendons needed reattached, no severed arteries, so it was handled with butterflies at home.
Butterflies, duct tape and super glue are really good for most cuts. It doesn't heal as nice as stitches but it will stop the bleeding usually. I'm a keloid anyhow so it doesn't make too much of a difference to me, no cut heals well so I've never gone to the ER for a cut.

I have one on my knee where I slipped in the valley of a metal roof because the rain came faster than I thought it was going to. Slid down the valley where the cut metal was and hit two of the ribs with my knee, opened it up like a canteloupe. I should have got stitches for that. Really anywhere it bends a lot you should probably get stitches in my experience.
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ER's are for life and death.

Don't you guys have "Urgent Care" facilities?
Usually the hospital runs them, but there are independent run places too.
That's where you go when you need to see a dr. now, but you aren't about to die.

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