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Old 06-11-2015, 11:57 AM   #61
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Again a LOT of companies don't care what your degree is in. Also you can have any degree to teach. As long as you get your teaching credential. Imo there's no such thing as a wasted major.
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Old 06-11-2015, 03:57 PM   #62
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John,
without that background we couldn't have done it.

probably plenty of people Could have done it without that background
BUT--- with an art background they could have probably done it even WAY better.
Remember--- we are just dumb roofers---and even for us, that background has been extremely useful.
If we were doing a lot of finish carpentry it would be phenomenally useful
in trim work how could a solid grasp of proportion ,balance symmetry, asymmetry etc. NOT be useful ?
Absolutely the best copper guy I know--- has a degree in Latin.

did he need that to go into the slate and copper business??? of course not--- but I bet he is living a much better life and is a better tradesman BECAUSE he has it.
did he need it?---no
did it improve his life???? I am sure emphatically yes
BTW--- my dad had a degree in art---and in fact made his living exclusively from it for 35 years----( as did one of my uncles, as did my god mother ,as did, in fact many of the adults I knew growing up)----- so , your view that art is a hobby or profession for " rich people"---is sadly ill-informed and in fact betrays your LACK of education.
Quite simply, you couldn't be more wrong.
Sadly--- in todays world a lot of people with your limited view will work very hard to get in a position(school boards)--so they can make that decision about the education that OTHER peoples children will receive
it's one of the reasons I sent my kids to private schools...
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Again a LOT of companies don't care what your degree is in. Also you can have any degree to teach. As long as you get your teaching credential. Imo there's no such thing as a wasted major.
that's really well said.
I would only add that while there are no wasted degrees--- there are people who will insist on wasting their opportunities.
we really can't do anything about that......
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John,
without that background we couldn't have done it.

probably plenty of people Could have done it without that background
BUT--- with an art background they could have probably done it even WAY better.
Remember--- we are just dumb roofers---and even for us, that background has been extremely useful.
If we were doing a lot of finish carpentry it would be phenomenally useful
in trim work how could a solid grasp of proportion ,balance symmetry, asymmetry etc. NOT be useful ?
Absolutely the best copper guy I know--- has a degree in Latin.

did he need that to go into the slate and copper business??? of course not--- but I bet he is living a much better life and is a better tradesman BECAUSE he has it.
did he need it?---no
did it improve his life???? I am sure emphatically yes
BTW--- my dad had a degree in art---and in fact made his living exclusively from it for 35 years----( as did one of my uncles, as did my god mother ,as did, in fact many of the adults I knew growing up)----- so , your view that art is a hobby or profession for " rich people"---is sadly ill-informed and in fact betrays your LACK of education.
Quite simply, you couldn't be more wrong.
Sadly--- in todays world a lot of people with your limited view will work very hard to get in a position(school boards)--so they can make that decision about the education that OTHER peoples children will receive
it's one of the reasons I sent my kids to private schools...
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Well Steve, like i said, agree to disagree. It isnt worth the time to explain my view of people who think the only way to become educated is through college. I dont disagree that an art background wouldnt help with being a contractor or a carpenter, i do think it isnt something one needs to major in. I believe i made that clear in my earlier post about quality of life and soft skills. Its not all about money.

So go back to your view of you and your guys are the best ever, anywhere, at everything, and your narrow minded stereotype of me in a duelly with a lift and loud pipes, a big belt buckle, a chew in and a dog in my truck suffering through life with my lack of education. Making racial slurs. Subscribtion to a paper copy Guns and Ammo instead of a web based subscription to The Wall Street Journal.

Btw my daughter starts a conservative private school in 3 months , for precisely the same reason you described.
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Well Steve, like i said, agree to disagree. It isnt worth the time to explain my view of people who think the only way to become educated is through college. I dont disagree that an art background wouldnt help with being a contractor or a carpenter, i do think it isnt something one needs to major in. I believe i made that clear in my earlier post about quality of life and soft skills. Its not all about money.

So go back to your view of you and your guys are the best ever, anywhere, at everything, and your narrow minded stereotype of me in a duelly with a lift and loud pipes, a big belt buckle, a chew in and a dog in my truck suffering through life with my lack of education. Making racial slurs. Subscribtion to a paper copy Guns and Ammo instead of a web based subscription to The Wall Street Journal.

Btw my daughter starts a conservative private school in 3 months , for precisely the same reason you described.
Really?
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Really, what? did you think I mate racial slurs too, Darcy?
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Snitches get stitches.
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Really, what? did you think I mate racial slurs too, Darcy?
I am still trying to figure out how you got your wranglers and belt buckle in a wad.

Plus your truck is a single rear wheel.
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My youngest daughter will be an art major this fall. She is gonna minor in psychology, and hopes to pursue a graduate study in art therapy. Both of my kids were incredibly artistic. I gave them free reign as to what to major in. The oldest actually started as a musical theater major. If I had it to do all over again, I am sure I would have gone to college and either majored in architecture, or engineering.

I think money spent on tuition is money well spent in most cases. Most of the expenses of college are for things beyond tuition. My youngest is planning to drive 20 minutes and commute to save tens of thousands of dollars. The oldest was not as bright in that regard. She commuted for one semester, and then wasted a lot on housing for 3 years. She did marry a medical student though, so I guess that makes up for it.
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I am still trying to figure out how you got your wranglers and belt buckle in a wad.

Plus your truck is a single rear wheel.


I probably read more into it than was there on second look, it is after all the Internet.

I do have a duelly by the way...... i just dont drive it. Its a crew vehicle.
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I dont get the correlation.....
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It's ok I just phishing.
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College would have been a waste for Edison and Gates and a bunch of others.
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College would have been a waste for Edison and Gates and a bunch of others.
They were the exception. I certainly wouldn't advise the kids today that they don't need to go to college because gates and Jobs didn't finish.
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Jumping into this discussion blind, but, college is (currently) totally worth it. It costs about as much as a new truck but doesn't rust… or does it?
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When you hire someone with a college degree, it only guarantees they had a certain amount of motivation to learn, and a certain capacity to learn in a college environment. You still have to figure out what they actually learned. It's a hurdle they cleared - some colleges and majors are a high hurdle, some are low hurdles.

You'd be surprised what isn't taught to PhDs that intend to do research, for instance.
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They were the exception. I certainly wouldn't advise the kids today that they don't need to go to college because gates and Jobs didn't finish.

You and Stephen are straight up Baby Boomer thinkers ... follow the yellow brick road and it will all work out. Looking past many changing realities to goals from the past. College degrees are no longer unique and special. In many fields of study the bachelors education is out dating while its being taught.

College is it worth it? Answers no longer can be generalized. It needs to be an individual by individual assessment. Field of study, real value ability. INTEREST, ect.... I know just as many people with degrees who got benefit from them than those who feel they wasted 4 years+ or the dgree has nothing to do with what they do. The difference between those individuals was ambition, real world value of the degree and how interested they were in the field of study. And the real bitter ones had the yellow brick road view and it didn't work out. Or after a 15 years in a field - it all changed. They went from top $ to can't be hired, to low pay. All due to the changing world we live in. Know 2 who where highly skilled college grad artists, became technical directors for Disney at $250k/yr. One is working in gaming, 50-80 hrs per week. 30-80k per year depending on the work available. Competing against talent as good or better without the piece of paper. The other transitioned very poorly, followed the heart and is just scraping by-but happy. At least they paid off the student loans.

Talent, ambition and hard work trump a degree in many fields. Going to college and having talent, ambition and working hard -Degree is feather in the cap.

College degree (a piece of paper) is one paver on the sidewalk to success. Knowing how to layout, set on a solid base ... Priceless value. What John and all y'all are doing with your children, I believe. Setting them up for success.

Seems to be too much emphasis on the degree being magical on this thread. Could be my interpretation tho

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I don't send out 'xmas cards', I send out 'holiday' cards, and they go out the week before Thanksgiving. I beat the rush, and they are non-denominational, so as to not offend. :Thumbs:
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Are the stats in favor of Xmas cards?

It's been doing that a lot lately.

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