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Seven-Delta-FortyOne 11-13-2018 10:07 AM

Meanwhile, some asshole is doing this locally. :rolleyes:


http://kymkemp.com/2018/11/13/approx...et-fire-chief/


http://kymkemp.com/2018/11/12/six-fi...t-king-salmon/


As God is my witness, I don't know what would stop me from putting a round in someone I saw doing that. :mad: Pisses me off.

deckman22 11-13-2018 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seven-Delta-FortyOne (Post 7408375)
Meanwhile, some asshole is doing this locally. :rolleyes:


http://kymkemp.com/2018/11/13/approx...et-fire-chief/


http://kymkemp.com/2018/11/12/six-fi...t-king-salmon/


As God is my witness, I don't know what would stop me from putting a round in someone I saw doing that. :mad: Pisses me off.

You have my permission.

You really have to wonder about some folks. I think a bullet is the best solution to their problem.

deckman22 11-19-2018 05:37 PM

What a coincidence, the places where the fires are match up exactly to the UN's agenda 21 map designating those areas as uninhabitable. Uncanny!

Big Johnson 11-19-2018 07:54 PM

Isis

hdavis 11-19-2018 08:17 PM

I'm pretty concerned that there are still so many people listed as missing.

deckman22 11-19-2018 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hdavis (Post 7413307)
I'm pretty concerned that there are still so many people listed as missing.

Really sad, many no doubt burned beyond recognition. I suspect many will never be found.

griz 11-19-2018 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seven-Delta-FortyOne (Post 7408375)
Meanwhile, some asshole is doing this locally. :rolleyes:


http://kymkemp.com/2018/11/13/approx...et-fire-chief/


http://kymkemp.com/2018/11/12/six-fi...t-king-salmon/


As God is my witness, I don't know what would stop me from putting a round in someone I saw doing that. :mad: Pisses me off.

those gasquet fires are in my backyard....

sob has been caught....

griz 11-19-2018 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hdavis (Post 7413307)
I'm pretty concerned that there are still so many people listed as missing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by deckman22 (Post 7413331)
Really sad, many no doubt burned beyond recognition. I suspect many will never be found.

where that fire is burning is low foothills w/ lots of scrub oak, manzanita & buck brush.

some areas are VERY remote and VERY poor.

residents do not like outsiders or visitors.

LOTS of cash business in commodities....

there is still marginal cell phone communication & none to limited internet.

one issue/concern with the missing list is that people may be listed numerous times due to different spelling of their names.

i've talked to guys who were there and they are of the opinion that many will/may never be found or identified.

there are likely individuals that will take advantage of the situation to help them "disappear"....

the fire was that hot & that fast.....

Leo G 11-19-2018 11:47 PM

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California Gov. Jerry Brown appears to have quietly admitted President Donald Trump's suggestion about improving California forestry was correct and is now urging state lawmakers to loosen restrictive logging regulations put in place to appease environmentalists
. :eek::eek:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/38520...-emily-zanotti

griz 11-19-2018 11:51 PM

https://www.foxnews.com/weather/camp...g-sheriff-says

more current news....

none of it is good....

12000+ homes!!!!...wtf...how do you deal with that?

also the redding fire earlier this summer....

the current so cal fires....

and don't forget the santa rosa fire last year.....

paradise fire was not a logging or lack of issue....

Leo G 11-19-2018 11:58 PM

Boom for house builders?

griz 11-20-2018 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo G (Post 7413475)
Boom for house builders?

problem is all the infrastructure, as poor as it was, is gone....

roads, power, water & sewer if they had it, phone, cable/tv/internet is all gone.

remember, this is mostly a very poor depressed area....

many residences were basically substandard....

1956 double wides with several un-permitted additions....

there were also many very nice homes....

santa rosa, a major metropolitan area has barely started to rebuild.

many places are not insured & under insured....

i was in tahoe two years ago where the angora fire came thru in 2007ish....

beautiful area, with many EXPENSIVE homes....

there were still houses being rebuilt....

two solar hybrid homes i built didn't make it....

couldn't even tell they were there....

Calidecks 11-20-2018 12:48 AM

California burning again...
 
There's no place that doesn't have something going on that could be dangerous. Been here 51 years never been burned nor had an earthquake do any harm to me. What's also an issue is the BS third world policies that's turning our cities into ****holes, literally. Full of human feces and dirty used needles. It's a ****ing shame actually.


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Rio 11-20-2018 12:57 AM

A drastic new fire policy is desperately needed. There was a really knowledgeable man on Coast to Coast the other night talking about the stuff we should have been doing all these years and how totally the forests are screwed up now, how nature and the Indians through burning kept the fires groomed for lack of a better word. Stuff that we all pretty much know except for the people in charge it seems like.

One of the really terrifying things he mentioned is the terrorist threat. He said imagine instead of having one point of origin for these horrific conflagrations having a dozen or more at the same time.

We need to have bio mass power plants again and where possible get cranking on thinning these overgrown forests are, with greenbelt defenses against hardened towns. The chaparral country will be a lot harder to deal with, probably just monitored burns with a lot of praying they don't get out of control.

Some of the scenarios he was outlining were terrible to contemplate.

Peter_C 11-20-2018 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo G (Post 7413467)
.
Quote:

California Gov. Jerry Brown appears to have quietly admitted President Donald Trump's suggestion about improving California forestry was correct and is now urging state lawmakers to loosen restrictive logging regulations put in place to appease environmentalists
:eek: :eek:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/38520...-emily-zanotti

Let me know what the value of logging brush is, as that is what causes the fires to burn hot. SoCal fire is mostly brush. I also know how loggers work, they will take the biggest trees and leave all the brush behind, and since they can't burn the piles of slash after logging you now have more fuel on the ground.


Meanwhile...
Quote:

Chief Ken Pimlott, Director of the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection: "There is about 30 million acres of forested landscape in California, so actually raking the forest floor is not practical."
The ONLY solution is defensible space and proper building materials.

Calidecks 11-20-2018 02:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_C (Post 7413511)
Let me know what the value of logging brush is, as that is what causes the fires to burn hot. SoCal fire is mostly brush. I also know how loggers work, they will take the biggest trees and leave all the brush behind, and since they can't burn the piles of slash after logging you now have more fuel on the ground.





Meanwhile...





The ONLY solution is defensible space and proper building materials.



The value of cutting brush is in the billions.


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WarnerConstInc. 11-20-2018 08:10 AM

That over grown forest floor is nothing more than instant kindling.

Manageable forest practices that involve clearing under brush.

These kinds of fires never use to be a problem.

They had no issues doing controlled burns.

Fire is about the only way the redwoods will regrow, heat makes the cones open up and drop seeds.

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Leo G 11-20-2018 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by griz (Post 7413479)
problem is all the infrastructure, as poor as it was, is gone....

roads, power, water & sewer if they had it, phone, cable/tv/internet is all gone.

remember, this is mostly a very poor depressed area....

many residences were basically substandard....

1956 double wides with several un-permitted additions....

there were also many very nice homes....

santa rosa, a major metropolitan area has barely started to rebuild.

many places are not insured & under insured....

i was in tahoe two years ago where the angora fire came thru in 2007ish....

beautiful area, with many EXPENSIVE homes....

there were still houses being rebuilt....

two solar hybrid homes i built didn't make it....

couldn't even tell they were there....

So now they can put the tracks in for the train to nowhere without issues.

Robie 11-20-2018 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Johnson (Post 7413289)
Isis

The Japanese during WWII had quite a program to send incendiary balloons over the west coast to start fires.

They knew 78 years ago the damage/turmoil it would cause. The same holds true today...ten fold.

Rio 11-20-2018 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_C (Post 7413511)
Let me know what the value of logging brush is, as that is what causes the fires to burn hot. SoCal fire is mostly brush. I also know how loggers work, they will take the biggest trees and leave all the brush behind, and since they can't burn the piles of slash after logging you now have more fuel on the ground.


Meanwhile...


The ONLY solution is defensible space and proper building materials.

One part of solving this problem will be to bring back bio mass electrical generation stations, outfit them with the most modern scrubbers, and start from the edge of the urban interface and work into the hills getting this dead growth eliminated.

Like Cali Mike points out up the thread, it's worth billions to be active on this, like Griz points out we're well over 20,000 homes burned out.

As was pointed out on the radio by a fire expert by letting the brush undergrowth build up and the trees to get too dense when we do have fires we often get crown fires which are much more devastating and we lose heirloom trees (that happened with the Witch Creek fire down here not too long ago, trees that had survived fire after fire were burned up). Also the fires burn so hot they sterilize the ground, making it more barren and then there's the run off up north silting up the streams.

It's going to take a multi pronged approach and forest and shrub management has to be part of it in one way or another, by burning and generating electricity we'll be able to recoup some of our costs, be able to develop technology more to make those systems cleaner, and provide jobs to locals for the harvesting and tending the plant.

Put the money we're throwing away on giant wind turbines and put it into this instead along with deep sixing the bullet train to nowhere.


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