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Old 05-01-2015, 08:11 AM   #1
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I went to check on a friends house while they were gone and the key got jammed in the lock. It's an ancient Zeiss Icon Cross lock cylinder in a mortised deadbolt. I managed to break the key off in the locked position so I can't open the door.

After some screwing around I managed to extract the broken key but the cylinder is screwed. I'm thinking at this point my only option is drilling it out.

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Old 05-01-2015, 08:18 AM   #2
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I've always thought key making would be a cool thing to do for side work.
One time on craigslist some guy was selling the contents of his van which included the copying machine and a van's worth of blanks for about two grand. Very nearly bought it. Should have.

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I've always thought key making would be a cool thing to do for side work.
One time on craigslist some guy was selling the contents of his van which included the copying machine and a van's worth of blanks for about two grand. Very nearly bought it. Should have.

Anyway, back to Inner's conundrum.
I have a spare key...just won't work...
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My recommendation is call a locksmith. They're as good at their job as we are at ours. I've had several mortised locks worked on with great results. They make it look easy
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I am a CRL Aloa locksmith, or i used to be. Yes you can drill the cylinder out. I am sure there are youtube vids, lol. Basically drill where the top pins and bottom pins create a shear line.... At the top of the key way where the key way turns the cylinder cutting through the pins, take care not to drill all the way through the lock cylinder or you will damage either the pawl which activates the mortise lock mechanism or into the mortise lock body. There are only 5 pins, maybe 6.

Here is an article for the fire dept via google
http://www.fireengineering.com/artic...cylinders.html

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I have a spare key...just won't work...
If you can measure the cut heights accurately, you may be able to identify the cut(s) that are off. Quick needle file work if it's too shallow, or grab the spot between pliers, vice grips, etc and whack the pliers with a hammer to peen the cut higher. The worst thing that happens is you ruin a key that doesn't work.

You could always glue a tensioning tool onto the face, and make a quad rake for the lock. That's pretty safe as well.
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Well the first thing you due is love tap it with a hammer. If that doesnt work use WD40 and more love taps. Then try the spare key.

Never give up w/o using the hammer first.
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Well the first thing you due is love tap it with a hammer. If that doesnt work use WD40 and more love taps. Then try the spare key.

Never give up w/o using the hammer first.
I've hammered the crap out of it...and I've tried picking it. I used a magnet and got shards of metal out.
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I am a CRL Aloa locksmith, or i used to be. Yes you can drill the cylinder out. I am sure there are youtube vids, lol. Basically drill where the top pins and bottom pins create a shear line.... At the top of the key way where the key way turns the cylinder cutting through the pins, take care not to drill all the way through the lock cylinder or you will damage either the pawl which activates the mortise lock mechanism or into the mortise lock body. There are only 5 pins, maybe 6.

Here is an article for the fire dept via google
http://www.fireengineering.com/artic...cylinders.html
It's a cross lock, probably has 12 pins.
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Can we have pictures of the lock?

How much time are you willing to spend on this?

This sounds like one of those problems that I would secretly be really grateful for because it would give me a dedicated block of time that I "had to" work on something, but really just didn't want to be bothered doing anything else.
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Can we have pictures of the lock?

How much time are you willing to spend on this?

This sounds like one of those problems that I would secretly be really grateful for because it would give me a dedicated block of time that I "had to" work on something, but really just didn't want to be bothered doing anything else.
I have 2 weeks until they are back from vacation.
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I have 2 weeks until they are back from vacation.
Heck, with 2 weeks you can hand make a bump key.

You got all the key pieces out, and the pins aren't damaged?
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Heck, with 2 weeks you can hand make a bump key.

You got all the key pieces out, and the pins aren't damaged?
Well I tried to drill it so it's really fvcked now.

Here's what they look like new, looks like an 8 pinner. Pin on the slider part of the lock is frozen and won't let me get a key inside.

Here's what they look like new:


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Heck, with 2 weeks you can hand make a bump key.

You got all the key pieces out, and the pins aren't damaged?
Well I tried to drill it so it's really fvcked now.

Here's what they look like new, looks like an 8 pinner. Pin on the slider part of the lock is frozen and won't let me get a key inside.

Here's what they look like new:
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I have it drilled out a half inch but there are still pins stuck in the bible.
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just leave all the pieces on the floor, the door open.

they'll think a burglar did it...
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just leave all the pieces on the floor, the door open.

they'll think a burglar did it...
I would if I could get it open! I can't even pry open the door with the hinges off.
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I have it drilled out a half inch but there are still pins stuck in the bible.
I'm no help...
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I'm no help...
I got drunk instead...let's see how this plays out.
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