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Old 03-21-2019, 04:46 PM   #61
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So you must have missed this, were you a pilot or maintenance?


Yea i did miss that

None of the above....

I was working in the back and lower galley as a FA on the L10 and other aircraft

Traveled the world serving Coke mostly to our men and women in uniform

At the time the Iraq war was going on and most of my flying was bringing guys in and out of the middle east....The airline I work for did a lot of military charters

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Old 03-21-2019, 06:47 PM   #62
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I don't think that little light us going to make a safer plane. It may help someone who hasn't been adequately trained to find the right page in a checklist. The light isn't going to be as clean of an indicator as one may think. There has only been one published fail showing the actual data. For that particular failure mode, it would have lit up on the ground. The in-flight output actually tracked better at slower speeds. Think takeoff and landing.

I'm not sure which is better, an imperfect indicator, or no indicator. Turning off MCAS due to a false indication gets back to the sudden pitch up issue....

Either way, pilots would have to be trained.
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I don't think that little light us going to make a safer plane. It may help someone who hasn't been adequately trained to find the right page in a checklist. The light isn't going to be as clean of an indicator as one may think. There has only been one published fail showing the actual data. For that particular failure mode, it would have lit up on the ground. The in-flight output actually tracked better at slower speeds. Think takeoff and landing.

I'm not sure which is better, an imperfect indicator, or no indicator. Turning off MCAS due to a false indication gets back to the sudden pitch up issue....

Either way, pilots would have to be trained.
After all this, that's going to be the safest plane in the skies. The pilots will know it inside out, too.
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I see a lot of criticism online over paying for the additional safety feature however letís remember not too long ago airbags were an option as well in cars

Same could be said about alot of other safety items such as.....

Head rests

Seat belts....

Shoulder harnesses

Anti lock brakes

Passenger side mirrors

Etc etc

All of these were considered premium options back in the day on cars but now we couldnt imagine them not being standard features

Without the government requiring most of those they would still be options to this day

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Actually that's not true at all. A few lawsuits and they may think twice. It's a system of checks and balances orchestrated through the Justice system vs. Blanket regulations.


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He was a waiter. Lol


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After all this, that's going to be the safest plane in the skies. The pilots will know it inside out, too.

At this point, any pilot for one that doesn't know about it needs to get a different job.
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At this point, any pilot for one that doesn't know about it needs to get a different job.

If Boeing is found culpable, then it will be over one issue, and it won't be the safety one.

As I pointed out, every heavy aircraft is a "type rating", meaning you are qualified to fly that plane....a 737-200 pilot is not qualified to fly a 777, and so on.

Boeing tried to market the Max jet as a plane that essentially needed little training for qualified 737 crews. easy transition, as opposed to extensive time learning another aircraft, but in reality, the Max Jet will be now under it's own type rating, and specific training, already used by Southwest Airlines and others (since the problems have been widely reported, their training works), will be the rule.


A black eye, and maybe an executive will get early retirement.

The People who will get the least will be the Ethiopian crash....because Boeing will say they do not certify one pilot planes, and a co-pilot with 200 hours total time is the same as NO ONE IN THE RIGHT SEAT...the captain had it all by himself.
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If Boeing is found culpable, then it will be over one issue, and it won't be the safety one.

As I pointed out, every heavy aircraft is a "type rating", meaning you are qualified to fly that plane....a 737-200 pilot is not qualified to fly a 777, and so on.

Boeing tried to market the Max jet as a plane that essentially needed little training for qualified 737 crews. easy transition, as opposed to extensive time learning another aircraft, but in reality, the Max Jet will be now under it's own type rating, and specific training, already used by Southwest Airlines and others (since the problems have been widely reported, their training works), will be the rule.


A black eye, and maybe an executive will get early retirement.

The People who will get the least will be the Ethiopian crash....because Boeing will say they do not certify one pilot planes, and a co-pilot with 200 hours total time is the same as NO ONE IN THE RIGHT SEAT...the captain had it all by himself.
So you're blaming a lack of training, right? Who's shoulders does that fall on?
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So you're blaming a lack of training, right? Who's shoulders does that fall on?

Go to law school and get on the bus...sue the crap our of Boeing.

I am a layman, with a simple understanding of the issue....very basic.

I gave you my opinion, and it isn't worth much. I am certified to fly turbines, but nothing in this class and weight, and these planes are out of my league and universe....so I am simply like the guy with an idea of what the issues are and what the fix will be.

It was probably a mistake on Boeing's part to run the Max Jet under the 737 TC. Now, who do you want to kill? Line them up and execute them...who?

Had there not been any software issues, NO ONE WOULD HAVE NOTICED A PROBLEM, but obviously, it was discovered.

From what is out in the public domain, it appears that Southwest Airlines was aware of the issues immediately, and Boeing and SW were working on the patch, and training for it.

Now....where things get interesting: When these planes are sold off shore....over seas......the FAA, our watchdogs of aviation here...the Feds...they don't have any input into maintenance. Or training. Now they can stop a plane from entering if it hasn't had the maintenance we require, or crew training, but many planes leave and never return.

So who do we execute? Who do you want to line up now? Blame Trump?




Boeing will defend itself in a court action that will take years to sort out, and they will want this to go away....cancelled orders mean lost jobs and less R&D.....so do you wan to cripple the company so you have a guilty party to stand up at the fence and execute by firing squad?

It is a shame, but if you read back to my first posts, I said training. What led to the planes that had issues not crashing? Pilots knowing what to do. Training.

I don't know who you wan to kill first, but it won't bring anyone back, and a 200 hour pilot is just as guilty as anyone so far. IMO.
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Go to law school and get on the bus...sue the crap our of Boeing.

I am a layman, with a simple understanding of the issue....very basic.

I gave you my opinion, and it isn't worth much. I am certified to fly turbines, but nothing in this class and weight, and these planes are out of my league and universe....so I am simply like the guy with an idea of what the issues are and what the fix will be.

It was probably a mistake on Boeing's part to run the Max Jet under the 737 TC. Now, who do you want to kill? Line them up and execute them...who?

Had there not been any software issues, NO ONE WOULD HAVE NOTICED A PROBLEM, but obviously, it was discovered.

From what is out in the public domain, it appears that Southwest Airlines was aware of the issues immediately, and Boeing and SW were working on the patch, and training for it.

Now....where things get interesting: When these planes are sold off shore....over seas......the FAA, our watchdogs of aviation here...the Feds...they don't have any input into maintenance. Or training. Now they can stop a plane from entering if it hasn't had the maintenance we require, or crew training, but many planes leave and never return.

So who do we execute? Who do you want to line up now? Blame Trump?




Boeing will defend itself in a court action that will take years to sort out, and they will want this to go away....cancelled orders mean lost jobs and less R&D.....so do you wan to cripple the company so you have a guilty party to stand up at the fence and execute by firing squad. It is a shame, but if you read back to my first posts, I said training. What led to the planes that had issues not crashing? Pilots knowing what to do. Training.

I don't know who you wan to kill first, but it won't bring anyone back, and a 200 hour pilot is just as guilty as anyone so far. IMO.
Thanks for clarifying. I just want to understand, not go after anyone for the sake of blame and suing.

Btw, my "thanks" to tang's comment in that regard was to acknowledge the pain that his family is enduring, etc.
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Im sorry sir what did you call me???

Yea that what is thought...NOW SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP!! ......bitch

Hahaha

ATA flight crew didnt put up with anyones chit



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Im sorry sir what did you call me???

Yea that what is thought...NOW SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP!! ......bitch

Hahaha

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The woman looks a little serious....
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The woman looks a little serious....


Yea there is a psycho with a m16 on the plane!!

actually there was probably about 140 more of them on there

It was always funny as a crew member when the cart would hit the barrel of a gun sticking out in the aisle and you would have to tell them to reposition their machine gun

So different than typical passenger service

Military flights are always a lot of fun, cockpit door was always left open for them to talk to the pilots


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Jet Blue used to do a lot of those.

A lot of troop flights went through Bangor international airport. Lots of people would go there and bring goodies, or just thank them.

I'd imagine the flights could be entertaining at times.
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We Stopped in bangor all the time as well as gander. Bangor was unique because there were usually locals and veterans there with treats, food and snacks to give to and thank the troops

Military flying was definitely a unique experience and we always had a lot of fun because those guys would be on the same plane flying halfway around the world and would have three or four different flight crews. The ones I felt sorry for were based out of Hawaii so they flew 3/4 of the way around the world from Hawaii to California to North Carolina to Bangor to Ireland to cypress then to kuwait... I believe they were on that same plane for 36 hours. They donít get off and stay at a hotel or anything.... they are on the plane the entire time

The military guys obviously are the best passengers because they do what you tell them to and they were always well behaved. I spent many hours playing cards and exchanging great stories with them.

We used to have the troops stand up and do the safety demo, but the most memorable flights were bringing guys home after theyíve been in Iraq for a year or more. As soon as we were wheels up leaving Kuwait the roaring, cheering and clapping was an experience I will never forget for as long as I live.

The most emotional was when we actually landed at their home base and their families were there waiting for them.




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Cool, thanks for sharing your experiences.
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