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Old 03-17-2019, 05:58 PM   #41
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I Spent alot of time in the L1011 and to this day is/was my favorite aircraft. I have some great memories and experiences because of the L10 A Lemon

Plus we always had fun with the ghost rumors from the salvaged parts from that crashed aircraft


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Old 03-18-2019, 06:17 AM   #42
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Now that's interesting. FAA management decision and a control change after the safety review.


I'm still interested in the sensor failure rate and causes.

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Now that's interesting. FAA management decision and a control change after the safety review.


I'm still interested in the sensor failure rate and causes.
50 incidences in the US over the last five years with no casualties. They would disable, land and replace them, etc. (per a Wash Post article this morning).
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50 incidences in the US over the last five years with no casualties. They would disable, land and replace them, etc. (per a Wash Post article this morning).
One every 2 months more or less. Probably does OK on basic reliability following US maintenance standards.
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This is pretty interesting from a sensor point of view. Since it's in part mechanical and the sensing electronics are not stabilized against drifts and off sets, my view is the design is a dinosaur, used because it's common.
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Now sure how this got lost in the fog, but when the new planes were certified, Boeing didn't train pilots on the MCAS system or what it would do. Later, after the pilots learned of it and called them out for a breach of trust, they still didn't get simulator training on it, since the events were expected to be rare.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-later-crashed

"As the Lion Air crew fought to control their diving Boeing Co. 737 Max 8, they got help from an unexpected source: an off-duty pilot who happened to be riding in the cockpit.

That extra pilot, who was seated in the cockpit jumpseat, correctly diagnosed the problem and told the crew how to disable a malfunctioning flight-control system and save the plane, according to two people familiar with Indonesia’s investigation.

The next day, under command of a different crew facing what investigators said was an identical malfunction, the jetliner crashed into the Java Sea killing all 189 aboard."
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News today said on this crash, the pilot was going through the emergency procedures trying to find out what to do, but crashed before they found it.
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I was holding out hope for Boeing, but this problem seems to be far bigger than sensors going bad. Sucks.

I retract my "buy" thoughts on BA for now. They are going to get hammered for a while.
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Money doesn't make it better. Maybe it gives some sense if justice and help with the the kid's future.
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In the right or left seat, or maintenance? I went to school to sit in the FE seat on a 727 - 100. Not a job for me.
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I am guessing there will be a lot of fog in the room when it comes to the Feds and Boeing. In a perfect world, the Feds should have the final word, but in reality, they don't.

It ain't right, but it is the way it is.

There was a funny story....years back....that some young FAA inspector....who was at an air show, decided Bob Hoover was acting a little out of hand,...and stopped him from performing his airshow routine because he "suspected" he had been drinking and he "behavior" was questionable.

Hoover was embarrassed....led away by the Fed....the EAA was pissed, and later, Hoover was completely cleared.....after the FEDs decided to take a stand and defend their inspector. When the smoke cleared, there were 3 FAA guys, including the young inspector, who now have no jobs, no one will hire them, and their future in aviation ended. Others were demoted....after all...who would dare question the legendary Bob Hoover? You might as well call Chuck Yeager a communist.

The manufacturers are essentially their own authorities for whatever they do, because they know what they are doing. Federal oversight is very limited.....and non existent with Boeing.
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"As the Lion Air crew fought to control their diving Boeing Co. 737 Max 8, they got help from an unexpected source: an off-duty pilot who happened to be riding in the cockpit.

That extra pilot, who was seated in the cockpit jumpseat, correctly diagnosed the problem and told the crew how to disable a malfunctioning flight-control system and save the plane, according to two people familiar with Indonesia’s investigation.

The next day, under command of a different crew facing what investigators said was an identical malfunction, the jetliner crashed into the Java Sea killing all 189 aboard."

“The so-called dead-head pilot on the flight from Bali to Jakarta told the crew to cut power to the motor in the trim system that was driving the nose down, according to the people familiar, part of a checklist that all pilots are required to memorize.”


The most basic of flight training addresses run-away trim, how did neither of the pilots not know how to remedy it?
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Boeing won't pay much, if anything for these accidents. All because it came back to training.
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Training and proper maintenance seems to be coming into play.
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Without understanding the hardware and software systems involved, I would think there could be an easy software patch.


If so, makes you wonder why it wasn't done from the get go.


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Boeing just announced they have software patch AND new pilot training ready to go.

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