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Old 01-09-2019, 08:40 PM   #81
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Around here, you mostly see women working as flaggers or driving dump.

There are some in family drywall businesses, painting, insulation, etc, but not many.

Working on a crew where mandatory overtime during the busy season plays hell with a single parent. That feeds into a paycheck differential, since over time pay can be a pretty big bump in a paycheck.
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I'm not sure this answers your question, but...

Life made a few decisions for me. I had been a director of personnel for a company for many years, and one day I was simply done with it all and went out on the open road, perhaps running away from life for a bit. The truth is, I loved pulling flatbeds (especially pulling wide loads) but I was a single mom. My youngest daughter rode with me until she was 5 and it was time to start school. I seriously considered homeschooling her on the truck, but she was very advanced, and I was worried I couldn't teach her enough (She was fully reading by 4 years old.) so I left the road.

After that, it was really a matter of finding what I could do without leaving kids in daycare a gazillion hours a week. I landed on the internet and never quite looked back. Why? Cuz I love my work and believe it or not, I am pretty good at it.
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I am not going to disagree with you, and, I am not going to defend TNT, but, both of you have some valid points. Unfotunately the question is based on an agenda driven article.

Here are some excerpts from that article:

"only three percent of the workforce is female. This isn’t for a lack of women interested in the trades — in fact, they would love the increased income and opportunities to gain specialized skills."

"Women are pushed out and pushed against from the moment they walk in the door. Most of us grin and bear it, participate in the jokes, and play along, because it’s our only choice. There needs to be MAJOR changes, started from the ground."

"It’s us girls against the world out here. "

"Cure the Sickness in the Industry: Hire Women, Improve Safety"

"Women are just as capable as your men. They’re waiting in droves for chances to learn vital skills like those developed in the trades. But until they’re given a chance, a place to enter the industry safely, you’re going to continue to watch things get harder and harder for the men who remain."

Sorry to say, but there is bias galore here. And, the author of the article has an agenda and her entire article is based on: (1) an unsupported generalization that large numbers of women are waiting and trying to get into the trades"; (2) a small number of anonymous statements and quotes from women that support the author's argument.
I agree to the article. I was referring to the thread tittle.... most chicks ain't going to be able to lift a 300 lbs piece of drill stem to drive pipe - so can't lots of men.

Most women wouldn't want/wouldnt/and many couldn't do what I did to move up.the ladder, and that is how i judge. Just facts.

But they can do lots of other stuff on a wider scale

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i have known of 3 women in the trades.

a plumber, sparky & a tile setter.

all 3 were absolutely top notch pro journeymen.

plumber and sparky were also their respective trades foreman on big jobs. very well respected.

the tile setter was really an artist that did some really high end custom work. she filled in setting mundane tile in between custom stuff.

not that it matters, but all 3 were fairly good looking and had personality for days.

all 3 were also as tough as nails that not only had thick skin but well calloused. they were also more than willing to jump in and help a guy should he need it.

when needed they could & would embarrass a guy if he tried messing with them. they ate lunch with the crew everyday.

just as there is an apparent stigma for a guy to skip college and work for a living there is also a stigma for a female to work in the trades.

have never seen a female carpenter.

if someone has the knowledge, experience & ability to do the job, and make me money....i really do not care what flavor they are.
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My favorite project manager by far that I worked for was a woman. She was a badass. Very organized very direct, also very sweet when she needed to be or could be

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ok, didn't think of the office as in the trades....

but i have also known a couple of pm's that were awesome at what they do.

two of my favorites have been female structural engineers.

both worked for the same firm.

one dressed and looked like a model. extremely intelligent was good at solving problems. just wasn't on a job site much.

the other was also extremely intelligent and a real practical on the spot problem solver. took her up on a lift, on the roof and was more than wiling to venture in to a crawl space, attic or ditch.

she ate lunch with us and no doubt could have been a stand up comic also....
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Office is definitely not trades. I just interviewed a project manager I thought about hiring yesterday, we are not a good fit. LMAO
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ok, didn't think of the office as in the trades....

but i have also known a couple of pm's that were awesome at what they do.

two of my favorites have been female structural engineers.

both worked for the same firm.

one dressed and looked like a model. extremely intelligent was good at solving problems. just wasn't on a job site much.

the other was also extremely intelligent and a real practical on the spot problem solver. took her up on a lift, on the roof and was more than wiling to venture in to a crawl space, attic or ditch.

she ate lunch with us and no doubt could have been a stand up comic also....
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engineers may be somewhat in between as they do spend a lot of time on the job and we often work very closely with them.
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Griz reminded me, my electrician turned over his company to his daughter, who is also a master electrician with a college degree. She handles mostly tbe commercial side, so I've only seen her socially.
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As a woman working in the trades for over 20 years my experience is that most of the young women I've worked with over the years pay a great deal of attention, soak up as much information as they can, tool up and then go into business for themselves. I think there's a correlation between women who are attracted to this type of work being independent by nature and looking to blaze their own trail.
They have been mostly pretty tough and will figure out a way to get any task done. Usually without hurting themselves. There have been exceptions to be sure but that's true of young men these days as well. I'm the last woman in the field in my company but at one point there was 9 of us spread throughout the field from jobsite lead to cabinet maker and everything in between. Now, all the women are in the office. Mostly as designers but also project managers and support staff.
In Seattle, our customers really like seeing women on the sites and I wish there were more of us.
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You're just trolling now Rob. Like I said some of us don't think it's a dumb question, I've been in construction my whole life and I have only worked around the women I have hired. I am as qualified a contractor to answer that question as you are, And it's not a dumb question, nor do I think that cricket was trying to be adgenda driven. In the years she's been on this board I haven't ever seen her post anything that was agenda driven

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Nope, just standing up for my position.

I never accused cricket of anything. By accident or design, it's still a political with the context that now with the shortage in labor are we now willing to hire more women. If I answer yes, then I am also admitting that I would not have hired a women without the shortage. Women don't go into construction because it doesn't interest them and if they do it's by far in the office or design.

You need to look up trolling. It is nothing to do with saying something is dumb. It has to do with inserting yourself in a conversation with no intent on discussing the topic but only to cause trouble. My point is valid. And I don't care that it got me banned and I don't care if it gets me banned again.
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No, I didn't get your point.

My own observation is that the swing in ratio towards more women/females in this biz hasn't moved much in the last decade for ME.

So if I answer "no", it might appear I am not making the effort.

If I answer "yes", that would suggest I had not made the effort in the past.

A "truthful" answer is that good and qualified help at any level, regardless of race, gender, or ethnicity is hard to find right now in my market, and I am going to sack 2 current if/when I can find replacements.

Yes, it's like THAT.
In context of the article your point that it's like answering have you stopped beating your wife is exactly my point.
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ok, didn't think of the office as in the trades....

but i have also known a couple of pm's that were awesome at what they do.

two of my favorites have been female structural engineers.

both worked for the same firm.

one dressed and looked like a model. extremely intelligent was good at solving problems. just wasn't on a job site much.

the other was also extremely intelligent and a real practical on the spot problem solver. took her up on a lift, on the roof and was more than wiling to venture in to a crawl space, attic or ditch.

she ate lunch with us and no doubt could have been a stand up comic also....
I recall a female engineer a few years back. We also have a truss designer who works with us that is also female. She is as good at or better than any other truss designer I have worked with.

In all my years of hiring, I have only had one female out of hundreds of applicants. I don't think I have ever seen a female on any other framing crew either. Not that there aren't any, or they couldn't do it, just that I have never seen it.
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When I was a union Carpenter doing form work we worked side by side with women and thought nothing of it.


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As a woman working in the trades for over 20 years my experience is that most of the young women I've worked with over the years pay a great deal of attention, soak up as much information as they can, tool up and then go into business for themselves. I think there's a correlation between women who are attracted to this type of work being independent by nature and looking to blaze their own trail.
They have been mostly pretty tough and will figure out a way to get any task done. Usually without hurting themselves. There have been exceptions to be sure but that's true of young men these days as well. I'm the last woman in the field in my company but at one point there was 9 of us spread throughout the field from jobsite lead to cabinet maker and everything in between. Now, all the women are in the office. Mostly as designers but also project managers and support staff.
In Seattle, our customers really like seeing women on the sites and I wish there were more of us.
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I wouldn’t mind seeing some women on my subs payrolls. Then when I ask them to do something a certain way they might do it instead of; argue with me about it, finally agree to do it my way, and then do it their way.
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crazy thread. Some people need to chill out on here.
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Biologically women far more important then Men, Ask any one how many hens one Rooster can take care of....

But there are gender based performance differences that the Free Labor markets have taken in to account when pricing male vs female labor.

If women preformed equally to men in GENERAL, I could hire women only, and produce anything at a fraction of the payroll costs, undercutting ANY all male shop....

Love the original post photo, NO eye protection, NO long sleeves shirt, no safety certs on Helmet, new, empty apron...AND a dangerous Pony tail.

Free image from Google?

My Masonry experience is 1-2 % female masons, most in the residential, brick laying end mostly,

There aren't many women that can lay 12-`14" wide CMUs all week long, IMHO.

But I have had 140 pound women out work 200 pound male labors......
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I don't even think my wife knows what I do for a living.


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I don't even think my wife knows what I do for a living.


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I never realized how little my wife understood my job until she ways home on mat leave and her and the boy would come along for drives sometimes.

One time we went to the dump and she said to me I never realized how long this takes.

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