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Old 01-08-2019, 11:57 AM   #41
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If you insist on treating workers like monkeys, they all get identical bananas.

I never hire monkeys, and don't treat employees that way.
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Old 01-08-2019, 12:11 PM   #42
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I hire whoever can do the job and can show up.

Sometimes that's a man, sometimes a woman.

My gf was a heck of a heavy equipment operator way back when. If someone messed up a grade, she'd be the one sent to straighten it out, and she did most of the tricky finish grading.

Guys back then would get really pissed that the best hired operator was a woman. It wasn't her fault they were sucky.
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Your interpretation of me be concerned for people's physical safety and health as treating women and older or extremely small guys as above everyone else tells me you wouldn't fit in. LOL

That's apparent in all our discussions - you have your way, I have mine. I'll do what works for me. To be clear, o have changed dozens if not more things about my operation due to this site, just don't dig most of your way of doing things. I'm sure it's mutual.

One of the girls that works for me weighs about 110 lb. No, I will not ask her to carry something that is 60% of her body weight.

If I hired a woman who was bigger and stronger she could do more stuff. But as a whole women aren't built like men. If I hired a cross fit gal she can lift whatever she wants. Shes trained/ing for it. That isn't most women

My painter's son work for me on college break last Summer, I also did not have him carrying extremely heavy s*** he probably weighs 125 lbs. And not a strong 125 lb

Common courtesy does not mean I treat a laborer with the same rules I do a foreman. Doesn't work like that anywhere to my knowledge. If it does I wouldn't want to work there and sure as hell ain't going to run my company that way.

Take for example one of my highly-skilled guy's truck is broke down so he is driving the company truck home at night. If my laborers truck broke down I will tell him to walk get a ride. LOL. He hasn't earned that trust and respect

There is a difference between common respect and individual respect. It's like reputation.

Either way, you are correct, it is my company and we will do things how I want to do them. I'll let you know if I get bit but I doubt it will be too bad if I do.

If it was a big deal to someone - it isn't to me - they could have a lift test before they hired. Anyone who can't pick 115 lbs over their head can't work here in the field

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You've jumped from " if yall **** with her, you got me to deal with. " ends all that", to now discussing physical and age limitations which we ALL deal with and are two completely different issues...

Conflating them doesn't add anything to the discussion... Common courtesy and respect mean exactly that... Common, as in shared by all... you don't say "you guys can't say off-color words/jokes around the female on the jobsite" and make them PC around each other and on the lookout for when she's around... if off-color words/jokes were a concern for you, you'd approach it from a common courtesy perspective "no off-color words/jokes on the jobsite period"... We certainly ask our guys to be professional and not do it in front of the customer, but not each other and wouldn't ask the female not to just because she's a female...

You're right though... we are different in how we approach our companies... separated by decades of experience in owning them, and we all give and take on this site (we all offer different experiences/perspectives and draw what we need from the site), but from what I've read, you seem a good man, a good father and husband and someone who works hard at and loves what he does...

It sounds like it's working how you want it to work for you... as it does for me... that's all that matters...

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You've jumped from " if yall **** with her, you got me to deal with. " ends all that", to now discussing physical and age limitations which we ALL deal with and are two completely different issues...

Conflating them doesn't add anything to the discussion... Common courtesy and respect mean exactly that... Common, as in shared by all... you don't say "you guys can't say off-color words/jokes around the female on the jobsite" and make them PC around each other and on the lookout for when she's around... if off-color words/jokes were a concern for you, you'd approach it from a common courtesy perspective "no off-color words/jokes on the jobsite period"... We certainly ask our guys to be professional and not do it in front of the customer, but not each other and wouldn't ask the female not to just because she's a female...

You're right though... we are different in how we approach our companies... separated by decades of experience in owning them, and we all give and take on this site (we all offer different experiences/perspectives and draw what we need from the site), but from what I've read, you seem a good man, a good father and husband and someone who works hard at and loves what he does...

It sounds like it's working how you want it to work for you... as it does for me... that's all that matters...
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Been here 19 years. Had 1 female apply for a construction position.

She didn't have any experience in our industry. She didn't get hired.

My main question was, what do you do when the crew goes out of town? I typically have crews of 4. I setup 2 hotel rooms. 2 men in each room.

If I hire a female, does that mean I need to get a separate hotel room or would that be considered special treatment? Should she bunk with a man? I don't know the right answer there. I haven't had to figure it out yet.
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Been here 19 years. Had 1 female apply for a construction position.



She didn't have any experience in our industry. She didn't get hired.



My main question was, what do you do when the crew goes out of town? I typically have crews of 4. I setup 2 hotel rooms. 2 men in each room.



If I hire a female, does that mean I need to get a separate hotel room or would that be considered special treatment? Should she bunk with a man? I don't know the right answer there. I haven't had to figure it out yet.
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Could be the short straw, who knows.
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Could be the short straw, who knows.
Depends how she looks...

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When I worked building a prison in (I wanna say 1987?) Our company had to hire a percentage of minorities. We hired women. They were considered minorities in the construction trade. They drove Bobcats and watered sand all day before a pour. Made prevailing wages.


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"Have You Been Hiring More Women?"

...followed by:

"Are you still beating your wife?"
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I don't think you know how the female mind works...


Mother, 3 sisters, wife, 2 daughters---I've got it pretty well figured out. It's not how their minds work---it's how you work with their minds.

I also strongly stand by my statement about Essy.

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Sensitive much? Sheesh.
Is that all ya got? How intelligent. At least, even though with passion, I can articulate my point with clarity.
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"Have You Been Hiring More Women?"

...followed by:

"Are you still beating your wife?"
Someone who gets my point. It's a dumb question.
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Mother, 3 sisters, wife, 2 daughters---I've got it pretty well figured out. It's not how their minds work---it's how you work with their minds.

I also strongly stand by my statement about Essy.

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I thought it was funny the guy with no wife and kids telling you that you didn't know women. I about peed myself. The expert in all things just got mic dropped.
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Someone who gets my point. It's a dumb question.
This is really simple, if ya don't like the question, keep scrolling and ignore it, but please stop derailing the thread.
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I apologize for my poorly worded question. My purpose was exploring if hiring more women would help with the labor shortage issue. What I am hearing from y'all though, is for the most part women aren't applying for work. Of course, that makes me wonder why...
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Is that all ya got? How intelligent. At least, even though with passion, I can articulate my point with clarity.
Ok, I'll be more clear. I thought the OP's article provided enough context to have some civil chit-chat without calling the question dumb and/or calling it a trap.

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I apologize for my poorly worded question. My purpose was exploring if hiring more women would help with the labor shortage issue. What I am hearing from y'all though, is for the most part women aren't applying for work. Of course, that makes me wonder why...

Well that is the gist of it. How many contractors have women applying for jobs that are also being applied to by men.....with all things being equal: age, experience, knowledge, etc.

The same is true with minorities: how many blacks, Hispanics, Asians, and others are being hired vs white males.....again with all things being equal.

The same is true for my company: how many women have applied: the answer is 0. How many minorities other than hispanics: 0. How many white males: 0.

Going to the the revised question: would hiring more women help with the labor shortage?

The question is still too open ended with no guidelines. If the question is : would hiring more women with desired skills and knowledge help? Well then the answer (at least on my part) would be yes. Would hiring more of anybody with skills and knowledge help? Again, the answer is yes.

But you have to put qualifiers into the question to make it more meaningful and applicable.
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This is really simple, if ya don't like the question, keep scrolling and ignore it, but please stop derailing the thread.
It's not derailing to crticise it. That's why you had to apologize.

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