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Old 10-26-2018, 09:09 AM   #21
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Water will infiltrate the cold joint eventually is why id pour it

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Make sure the old driveways are gone by the old door openings, inspect tile, clean? use a Mira-Drain product on any under ground concrete/CMUs .

I'd look at demoing the old crrraappp out of one of the doors with a small skid steer, re pour flat on rock and tile and you have 3-7" MORE head room, just add a landing ~7.5" high under the exist stairway. don't forget the Egress Window(s)/door.
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Never done anything like this before. Walk me through this. You have my attention.

Rio, it would be 3" using this method
I think what SA is suggesting is to make the floor level by pouring concrete in lieu of doing the floating floor.
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I think what SA is suggesting is to make the floor level by pouring concrete in lieu of doing the floating floor.
I understand that Andy is suggesting to just pour over the existing slab and I’m liking the concept. Are there any tricks or pitfalls I need to be aware of? Why put down poly-vinyl first? Do I not want some kind of bond to the existing concrete? Bonding agent?
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I understand that Andy is suggesting to just pour over the existing slab and I’m liking the concept. Are there any tricks or pitfalls I need to be aware of? Why put down poly-vinyl first? Do I not want some kind of bond to the existing concrete? Bonding agent?
I would scarify it. Poly was for vapor barrier, not sure if there is one under existing slab. Call a concrete guy.

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Make sure you side the entire side, don't just fill in the garage door openings. Can't stand those remodels where it is obvious the garage doors were just filled in and old garage converted to living space.
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Won't hold up as well as a poured footing that's waterproofed. That's a lifetime fix
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A keyway CAN fail.

I don't play with water.
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That's true, unless you saw cut a thin keyway, and Sika in a water stop. Just saying, there are ways.
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X2 on call a concrete guy.

Like Darcy said, vinyl is to make sure there is a good vapor barrier, who knows what's under the existing. If you want to try to skip that and bond to the existing, tape clear plastic over parts of the slab, and see if you get moisture build up. If you do, it's back to using a vapor barrier.
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Won't hold up as well as a poured footing that's waterproofed. That's a lifetime fix

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You may be surprised, it may not last 100 years, but you can get at least 50 out of 3m 5200, and there are butyl sealing tapes that can be put in the bottom before the backer.

Because there is so much boat building and repair around here, I can go out and buy products that are rated for continuous immersion all over the place. One of the big boxes carries 5200, I don't even have to go to a marine supply place.
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Won't hold up as well as a poured footing that's waterproofed. That's a lifetime fix

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Explain to me how this new poured footing will work, because I can guarantee there is already one the entire length of that wall.

You will have a cold joint somewhere.

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Explain to me how this new poured footing will work, because I can guarantee there is already one the entire length of that wall.

You will have a cold joint somewhere.

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You cut a trench through the existing concrete and pour the stem wall is one continuous pour with the footing. The cold joint is now 6 inch below the concrete. Do you waterproof a front of that I guarantee you you have a lot better shot of it not leaking then a cut.

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You may be surprised, it may not last 100 years, but you can get at least 50 out of 3m 5200, and there are butyl sealing tapes that can be put in the bottom before the backer.

Because there is so much boat building and repair around here, I can go out and buy products that are rated for continuous immersion all over the place. One of the big boxes carries 5200, I don't even have to go to a marine supply place.
It doesn't take much work to cut that trench and pour a stem wall. I would just pay the labor and get it done. We pour stem walls when the grade is too close to the existing slab on editions all the time and cover them with the framing.

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Jaws stem wall footing is definitely the bulletproof way. Down here in Dago wouldn't be nearly as critical as up in the cold country as Griz pointed out although I will say from past days of working with 3M 5200 you'll never see as sticky a caulking as that stuff is (WD-40 takes it right off, thank heaven).
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You cut a trench through the existing concrete and pour the stem wall is one continuous pour with the footing. The cold joint is now 6 inch below the concrete. Do you waterproof a front of that I guarantee you you have a lot better shot of it not leaking then a cut.

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You still have a cold joint on left and right side where old door opening was.

With proper drainage, interior an exterior drain tiles, should already be there, and proper parging I don't think there be any issues.

Every slab on grade here has a cold joint all the way around with just a keyway.


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You still have a cold joint on left and right side where old door opening was.

With proper drainage, interior an exterior drain tiles, should already be there, and proper parging I don't think there be any issues.

Every slab on grade here has a cold joint all the way around with just a keyway.


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Wow, some of you guys really like to complicate ****.
The new pour does not have to bond with the old slab, why should it? It is surrounded on all four sides and underneath by aged concrete. It is not as if it has anywhere to slip to.
The poly is to comply with the code as you can not be sure if the garage was poured with a vapor barrier or not.
Well, I guess you can be if you tear up part of the slab but why go through all that trouble when you can just throw down some poly to pass the inspection.

What would be the purpose of saw cutting the old slab down the middle then dig for a stem wall and footing? If I am understanding that correctly.

That just seems weird.

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X2 on call a concrete guy.
I get “call a concrete guy”. We meet there tomorrow. But that doesn’t absolve me from setting the specs and knowing what we’re doing.
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I get “call a concrete guy”. We meet there tomorrow. But that doesn’t absolve me from setting the specs and knowing what we’re doing.
Yeah I love it when people say just asked a subcontractor, if I did that for most Subs without setting specs we would be building whatever is easiest and makes the most money for the subcontractors, for the most part. Regardless of price point. Not all, but quite often.

We live in a totally different climate, different amounts of rainfall, you have snow and the frost line excetera so my advice on this would be moot. When flattening a garage floor for living we have always just roughed up the substrate, cover cracks with a membrane and pour Pebble mud with a bonding primer and dowel with rebar every so often.

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