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Old 09-11-2019, 11:56 PM   #1
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Hey Guys, I took a look at a bathroom today for a injured Vet. They want to Reno the main bathroom in the house to make it more assessable for him.

Main think that is needed is to replace the tub with a barrier free shower. What I am stuck on is the best was to achieve that. The bathroom is 5ft wide by 10ft deep with the tub at the far end.

Would it be best to use a Schluter ramp into the shower or should I look into lowering the framing under the shower to make up for the slope?
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Old 09-12-2019, 12:14 AM   #2
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I prefer to lower the framing (there are ways to do it with little to no joist cutting), or do a linear drain at the threshold and slope the shower up towards the back wall. This does run the risk of flooding the bathroom, so you want the whole thing to be waterproof plus have some kind of threshold or small ramp at the door at a minimum.

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Old 09-12-2019, 12:18 AM   #3
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I prefer to lower the framing (there are ways to do it with little to no joist cutting), or do a linear drain at the threshold and slope the shower up towards the back wall. This does run the risk of flooding the bathroom, so you want the whole thing to be waterproof plus have some kind of threshold or small ramp at the door at a minimum.


I never thought about having the drain at the threshold. I always dirta my bathrooms and Keri the overlaps so I would just need to Kerdi up behind the baseboards. Is it worth adding a floor drain elsewhere in the bathroom also?
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This is small enough you can consider going euro and have the whole floor tiled with drain.
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I never thought about having the drain at the threshold. I always dirta my bathrooms and Keri the overlaps so I would just need to Kerdi up behind the baseboards. Is it worth adding a floor drain elsewhere in the bathroom also?
The long linear drains are quite expensive. Bad pic but here's one I did. No door, no lip. No water gets past the drain, though I did slope the first 12" wide row after the drain 1/4"
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Lower shower floor area by 3/4" by sistering 2x4 joist 3/4" lower that existing joist, cut plyood to fit in between existing joist and sits on top of lower 2x4's.

Put linear drain at threshold to shower and water proof up walls under base trim with kerdi or similar.

Or use www.vimproducts.com they have a center drain location and pan can be cut down, have to use smaller tiles though. It uses same process of lowering shower floor like I mentioned above.
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I never thought about having the drain at the threshold. I always dirta my bathrooms and Keri the overlaps so I would just need to Kerdi up behind the baseboards. Is it worth adding a floor drain elsewhere in the bathroom also?
I agree with lowering the floor in the shower area.

A drain in the shower ( linear preferred) and a linear just outside the threshold to catch any errant water.

If you do add a drain out in the floor area consider adding a trap primer to keep odors at bay.
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Very timely thread. I am starting a master bedroom and bathroom addition on my Grandma's house in a couple of weeks. The shower needs to be barrier free, in anticipation of future mobility issues.

Would you guys recommend framing the bathroom floor as usual, then cutting the joists down like above, or would it be easier to frame only the shower area alone lower than the rest of the bathroom right form the get-go?
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I'd frame it to suit the plan. No point in building something just to do a workaround.
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Very timely thread. I am starting a master bedroom and bathroom addition on my Grandma's house in a couple of weeks. The shower needs to be barrier free, in anticipation of future mobility issues.

Would you guys recommend framing the bathroom floor as usual, then cutting the joists down like above, or would it be easier to frame only the shower area alone lower than the rest of the bathroom right form the get-go?
i would prefer to frame in the drop down rather than cut joists.

greater latitude to get the depth you want.

cut joists seem to get extra attention from inspectors.
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If the vet is in a wheel chair do not do a single slope pain. Use the Schluter LT or TT pan. My preferance is the LT.

I inset the pans. I had to double and triple joists for the tub, so the notching is not a big deal.

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If the vet is in a wheel chair do not do a single slope pain. Use the Schluter LT or TT pan. My preferance is the LT.

I inset the pans. I had to double and triple joists for the tub, so the notching is not a big deal.

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Wouldn’t a single slope pan be easier for a wheel chair/shower chair?
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If the vet is in a wheel chair do not do a single slope pain. Use the Schluter LT or TT pan. My preferance is the LT.

I inset the pans. I had to double and triple joists for the tub, so the notching is not a big deal.

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Upper right corner of the first pics... What do you have installed inline in the water supply line?
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Wouldn’t a single slope pan be easier for a wheel chair/shower chair?
No, the chair may slide on the wet surface, with a dual or quad slope the chair will sit still without the brakes set, once centered.

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Upper right corner of the first pics... What do you have installed inline in the water supply line?
Mount/temp balancer for the tub filler.

Backflow device is in the handheld unit.

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