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Old 04-22-2015, 08:51 AM   #21
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But anyone can make good materials look cheap.
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Old 04-22-2015, 12:32 PM   #22
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We put up a mix of 1x6 and 1x4 on a ceiling before. It was whitewashed and no caulking between the boards. Used black poly instead of clear behind. Could use roofing felt as well. It turned out good and the customer was happy.

Caulking the seams or painting it is a recipe for disaster. There will be movement.


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Yep. You gotta go rustic or not at all. Caulking will ruin the effect.
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One big downside is not being able to hide your fasteners like you can with t+g. The other is you have nothing to keep the boards flush.

Might look ok right after it's done. But I've seen kiln dried t+ g shrink almost 3/16 in some spots. No way any caulk will stretch with that, it would be a nightmare.
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One can do this caliber of work if they choose....

It's YOUR reputation....

Why some guys are never out of work and some sit at home wondering what went wrong....
I said if done right, been in business since 89 never advertised and never had a callback...ever. I will inform the client of any drawbacks, issues, etc. for whatever they desire, they almost always take my advice but if they insist I'll do it to the best of my ability.

If it fails they'll call me back and I'll say "I warned you" and I'll be redoing it as I recommended from the start.
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Just from a materials standpoint, 1x6 FJP costs me more than 1x6 T&G by almost 20 cents/ft. Why would I want to spend more money on materials to make life harder for myself and deliver an inferior product?

Part of our job as professionals is to steer the customer in the right direction. I will always inform a customer that my personal preference guides many things I do or recommend, but I can also see when things are nice, even if it's not my taste. On the other hand, I can see when things are terrible.

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Pre painting and blind nailing T&G is the only way to go. No caulk or worries about movement. Plus its faster than painting in place.
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I said if done right, been in business since 89 never advertised and never had a callback...ever. I will inform the client of any drawbacks, issues, etc. for whatever they desire, they almost always take my advice but if they insist I'll do it to the best of my ability.

If it fails they'll call me back and I'll say "I warned you" and I'll be redoing it as I recommended from the start.
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How would you do it if you had to. Help please not rude comments thanks.
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How would you do it if you had to. Help please not rude comments thanks.
When someone asks how to change a tire with a hammer and the answer is get a wrench, I don't consider it rude, I consider it good advice.

Who is supplying materials? You or the customer?

What is the motivation for not doing T&G? Cost or a desired appearance? Or the perception that T&G will cost more even if not true?

Since caulking between boards was originally mentioned, I am assuming this is paint grade?

So, how would I do it? I wouldn't. But If it had to be done, I would face nail with a 15 gauge trim gun, butt the next piece and repeat. Really, what other way is there?
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Let me guess.... She saw it on Pinterest

Maybe you could do it out of pallets too.


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That is too funny. I'm not trying to jump a post, but that is exactly what my current HO wants. I was actually getting ready to ask. I had my guys run them threw a thickness planer and edge them, but... I told HO it would gap especially in a bathroom, also worried about mold growth. They want contemporary rustic; stained to look old, and not worried about gaps. I don't know.
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I said if done right, been in business since 89 never advertised and never had a callback...ever. I will inform the client of any drawbacks, issues, etc. for whatever they desire, they almost always take my advice but if they insist I'll do it to the best of my ability.

If it fails they'll call me back and I'll say "I warned you" and I'll be redoing it as I recommended from the start.
I told customer that without the T&G the fasteners would show. She also wanted to go with #2 pine 1x4's I told her that they would be little rough look to them. We spent tons of extra time on sanding and caulking the nail holes because she insisted that that's how she explained it to us lol I learned my lesson on this one and will never do this again unless it's t&g. Thanks for your wisdom.
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I told customer that without the T&G the fasteners would show. She also wanted to go with #2 pine 1x4's I told her that they would be little rough look to them. We spent tons of extra time on sanding and caulking the nail holes because she insisted that that's how she explained it to us lol I learned my lesson on this one and will never do this again unless it's t&g. Thanks for your wisdom.
Nice work - a very good simulation of T&G, which is clearly what she wanted.
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Painted 1x4's on a ceiling with caulked joints is going to look like dog chit...

Maybe a good job to walk away from....
THIS....

But I understand that not everybody has the options of walking away from work, so you do what you think is best and if you do a good job of selling this woman up to a more traditional way of doing it, you'll be able to make it look nice.

The caulking option is just not gonna hold up to the test of time. I just bought a 4200 ft2 house that was built in 1900 and there's not a drop of caulk in the place and every ceiling is T&G and it's totally acceptable.
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The caulking option is just not gonna hold up to the test of time.
I don't like the caulk option, but 5200 has 600% elongation. It's used for caulking wooden boat hulls below the waterline for 10 years or more- it'll stand the test of time...

Something like Alex Plus wouldn't be trusted, though.
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Something like Alex Plus wouldn't be trusted, though.
I don't even trust Alex plus to still be in tact before I'm done painting. Even dynaflex has been a let down. Using Tower Tech now and it seems to perform much better.
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I don't even trust Alex plus to still be in tact before I'm done painting. Even dynaflex has been a let down. Using Tower Tech now and it seems to perform much better.
Dynaflex 230 was my go to when it was first out. Since there is always a chance I'll be removing caulk in the future, I'm always looking for something that will stick until you want to take it off, then it comes off easy. I'm still chasing that dream....

Which ones do you use?
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Dynaflex 230 was my go to when it was first out. Since there is always a chance I'll be removing caulk in the future, I'm always looking for something that will stick until you want to take it off, then it comes off easy. I'm still chasing that dream....

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