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Old 12-15-2017, 12:30 PM   #1
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For anyone who regularly uses subcontractors, do you have a contract you guys use with these subcontractors or is it generally understood how the work and payment etc will be conducted?
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All of the contractors I work with sign my proposal. Ine has his own contract, which we add my proposal to as part of it.

There should be something in writing.

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All of the contractors I work with sign my proposal. Ine has his own contract, which we add my proposal to as part of it.

There should be something in writing.
Do you have the sub contractors just sign an initial contract or they sign a new contract every time they perform a job?

We have had a few jobs using sub contractors, but there is only a contract between us and the client, no contract with the subcontractor....yet
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Other than a quick service call, we have something in writing for everything we do.
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I sub for many guys. They'll just text me an address with what size and tell me to go do it.


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I have a contract with my clients not subs. I do have 2 subs who ask we sign their proposals and we do.

If it is something like a plumber or HVAC or electricial contractor we send a scope or it has specs in the general notes.

I allow for scope gap money in the proposals.
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Now that sounds like a good working relationship...How do you know what they'll pay you if each job is different form the previous?
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Now that sounds like a good working relationship...How do you know what they'll pay you if each job is different form the previous?


Most guys know what's close to my per foot price and others just trust that I'll give the usual honest price I've always given. No contracts needed for either of us. Some guys I've been subbing for for 20 years.


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Now that sounds like a good working relationship...How do you know what they'll pay you if each job is different form the previous?
Good working relationship is right. I have the same thing with my roofer/gutter guy. I know how he prices, I'm rarely off from what he charges. Same for mason.

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I have a contract with my clients not subs. I do have 2 subs who ask we sign their proposals and we do.

If it is something like a plumber or HVAC or electricial contractor we send a scope or it has specs in the general notes.

I allow for scope gap money in the proposals.
I used to do contracts, but it was too much work on my end.

Same here. I have a contract with my client. I get quotes from some of my subs and others we just know about what it's going to be and leave some wiggle room for the "scope gap". I like that term.
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I have a contract with my clients not subs. I do have 2 subs who ask we sign their proposals and we do.

If it is something like a plumber or HVAC or electricial contractor we send a scope or it has specs in the general notes.

I allow for scope gap money in the proposals.
Most plans I get don't spec "small things" like cans- led or incandescent, vent fans - ultra quiet or contractor grade. I ask the builder how he wants it bid, then write it in my proposal.
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New subs want contracts. If we needed a contract after the 10th job together, at least one of us wouldn't want to work with the other.

By then I know if I want to keep hiring them and they know I pay without hassle.
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That’s generally how I operate as well, Of course this is for the general contractors that I have been working for a very long time. Anybody else requires a written agreement and a contract


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That’s generally how I operate as well, Of course this is for the general contractors that I have been working for a very long time. Anybody else requires a written agreement and a contract


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Couple developers I work for require me to sign some paper work but I'd never make them sign anything on my end. I just started making some homeowners sign the estimate I give. Guess that's sort of a contract.


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Most plans I get don't spec "small things" like cans- led or incandescent, vent fans - ultra quiet or contractor grade. I ask the builder how he wants it bid, then write it in my proposal.
We supply everything to the electrician but the cans and receptacles/switches. Including UC and Exhaust fans. We only use LED, and specify sealed LED or baffle.

New construction. Remodels sometimes not some much lol

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And all these Sub contractors are ok with getting a 1099? Or do you come across some who are hesitant?
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And all these Sub contractors are ok with getting a 1099? Or do you come across some who are hesitant?
Wtf?

I'm hesitant about my taxes too but it is the law.
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And all these Sub contractors are ok with getting a 1099? Or do you come across some who are hesitant?
Huh? Yeah, they'd better, otherwise, no thanks...you owe the taxes on your income, not me. It's that simple.
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And all these Sub contractors are ok with getting a 1099? Or do you come across some who are hesitant?
I mean...they'd best be ready to give me copies of Liability Insurance and Worker's Comp as well...

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