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Old 11-26-2014, 04:24 PM   #1
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Does this still happen in states with licensing and bonding?

http://www.necn.com/news/business/Ma...283761101.html
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Old 11-26-2014, 04:30 PM   #2
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Does this still happen in states with licensing and bonding?

http://www.necn.com/news/business/Ma...283761101.html
What's your point?

Criminals are everywhere regardless of laws, regulations and licensing.
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The guy probably could have made a real good living as a salesman for a legit company if he's able to sell hundreds of furnace conversions and pocket the deposit money.
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What's your point?

Criminals are everywhere regardless of laws, regulations and licensing.
All the pros here constantly cry for licensing but I'm with you, a criminal is a criminal. Just looking for your guys input from states that have licensing.
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200 customers, deposits between $1500 and $3000. That's a pretty good living for doing no work.

The gas company is going to repay the deposits to the HOs.
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All the pros here constantly cry for licensing but I'm with you, a criminal is a criminal. Just looking for your guys input from states that have licensing.
The difference between an unlicensed thief and a licensed thief is the state has more info on the licensed thief. Fingerprints, etc. may be easier to find. Not always but maybe.
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Does this still happen in states with licensing and bonding?

http://www.necn.com/news/business/Ma...283761101.html
Having a drivers license hasn't stopped accidents or criminals behind the wheel either. Do you think a drivers license is unnecessary? Just a question.
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. Do you think a drivers license is unnecessary? Just a question.
You're kidding right???

There are millions (with millions more on the way here) of illegals driving here in the US , all day, every day without drivers licenses'.

So No, it's obviously not "necessary" to have a DL to operate a vehicle.
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You're kidding right???

There are millions (with millions more on the way here) of illegals driving here in the US , all day, every day without drivers licenses'.

So No, it's obviously not "necessary" to have a DL to operate a vehicle.
Using your logic red lights don't stop people from running red lights so they are not necessary to stop at an intersection.
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You're kidding right???

There are millions (with millions more on the way here) of illegals driving here in the US , all day, every day without drivers licenses'.

So No, it's obviously not "necessary" to have a DL to operate a vehicle.
What about airline pilots? A license isn't necessary to operate a plane. But wouldn't you feel more comfortable knowing he had a license and went through the minimal training necessary to obtain that license? Not gauranteed but better if he had the training.
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Does this still happen in states with licensing and bonding?

http://www.necn.com/news/business/Ma...283761101.html
Does this still happen in states with red lights at intersections?
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What about airline pilots? A license isn't necessary to operate a plane. But wouldn't you feel more comfortable knowing he had a license and went through the minimal training necessary to obtain that license? Not gauranteed but better if he had the training.
I still don't get the comparison to drivers license and contractor license. It's just not comparable.

Every single city or county has permits and codes. If I follow the codes and aquire permits why do I need a license?

Licenses are just another layer of unnecessary bureaucracy and government regulation. People need to take responsibility for their choices.

If someone hires a contractor without checking insurance, wc, and when the last time they pulled a permit, then they deserve what they get.
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I still don't get the comparison to drivers license and contractor license. It's just not comparable.

Every single city or county has permits and codes. If I follow the codes and aquire permits why do I need a license?

Licenses are just another layer of unnecessary bureaucracy and government regulation. People need to take responsibility for their choices.

If someone hires a contractor without checking insurance, wc, and when the last time they pulled a permit, then they deserve what they get.
Ok why can't drivers license be just another layer of bureaucracy and government. How about your doctor his license doesn't mean he will do a good job. Why can't that be a comparison?
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I wouldn't compare a doctor to a contractor in anyway shape or form. 8 years of college education to practice, compared to a hammer, GED and pickup. No offense to anybody but lets get real.

You might have a better argument as to why do real estate agents have to be licensed but not contractors. I am personally against licensing because I feel it is just another layer of regulation and revenue source that will hurt the 1 and 2 man shops. But if I legitimately thought it weeded out the crooks and hacks I might be more supportive of it. That's all I'm getting at. Business like the one in the paper don't do any of us any favors.
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Im sorry Mike I usually agree with your perspective but I don't agree with the comparisons DL and CL. To obtain a Drivers Licenses you need to be shown how to drive and what the Driving laws are.
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All the pros here constantly cry for licensing but I'm with you, a criminal is a criminal. Just looking for your guys input from states that have licensing.
Licensing would be looked upon totally differently if it was economically feasible to enforce before or during a situation like that.Unfortunately,enforcement comes too late and not often enough.

Drivers,with or without licenses,are always being watched for violations,and fined accordingly.

Big difference in comparison!
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Anything that the govt does that infringes on our rights is unnecessary.

Capitalism would sort out the lack of license issues, and possibly lead bullets as well, as there should be no firearm laws either.
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DL is supposed to establish the ability to drive safely on public roads. Building codes and codes enforcement is supposed to establish the actual safety of a building, whether on public or private land.
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Licensing or no licensing, there are people who go through decade long careers setting up companies, ripping people off to one extant or another, and closing them down. None of the companies have any real assets.

It isn't a question of construction knowledge, it's just sleazy / illegal business practices.

This particular situation is a little different. There is a big natural gas build out in large parts of Maine that has been going on for a number of years. The gas company works with licensed installers, to the extent they will tell a HO the installers in their area. HOs rely on this list to choose someone who will give a quality install. There have been some big delays in getting the main pipes run and having residential service started. I know of(meaning checked on pulling permits) several buildings with the piping run right by them that cannot be hooked up, because the towns aren't allowing it. You can't pull a permit, typically because they have a moratorium on disturbing the road for years (like 5).

It has turned the whole build-out into a mess. When the gas companies found out they were going to have problems with residential installs in some areas, they changed plans - this part was pushed out. Meanwhile, there are plenty of installers who already gave quotes on doing the installations that are sitting on their hands. If they were counting on that work to stay in business, they're in trouble.

This particular contractor claims he relied on the gas company's schedule for offering residential service to set up his company and do the quotes and take deposits on the installs, then the gas company changed everything. The delays caused his company to go under - it was his entire target market.

As I noted above, the gas company is going to be refunding the deposits given to the contractor.

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