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Old 08-19-2012, 06:29 AM   #1
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The New DOT Regulations


As some of you know, I had my first exposure to the DOT as a contractor, and it wasn't pretty.

At the job site yesterday, the safety guy that works for our customer said the rules, "they are a changin', and to get set"

Oklahoma, depending on how you read the rules, allows you to have a single vehicle weighing no more then 26k, and have it under both a private tag, and standard driver;s license. We have always assumed we can run out pick-ups and trailers within reason, to the same 26k mark.

No longer. Any vehicle engaged in any commercial work, meaning a contractor with a ladder in a trailer, or anything that doesn't look like a farm vehicle, is now subject to the rules of commercial operation.

If you have signs on your truck, or do not, and have a trailer that has a pair of axles, and the DOT decides to have a look, you are busted. We now have to have a DOT number, commercial tags and insurance, and comply with all regulations for any combination of truck and trailer with a gross weight of over 10,000 pounds.

My one ton with steel flat bed weighs close to 9,000....by itself.

Now, for the best news? It is up to a faceless someone at the state level to explain what they want, and then you have to hope you get a DOT guy who is on the same page. And...you want these rules in writing? Good luck.

Anyway boys, this isn't about safety, it is about revenue, and screwing the laws down to create another stream of income veiled as "protecting the public".

Check your state laws and then see if you meet the loads and laws as they apply.
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Old 08-19-2012, 06:50 AM   #2
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How hard is it to get a DOT number? I heard it's a lengthy process.

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Any vehicle registered over 10k must comply with DOT regs.

Any vehicle or combination whose registration exceeds 10k must show DOT number and the operator must have DOT physical card.

Any vehicle or combination not exceeding 26k can be operated on a standard DL. But over 10k must comply with DOT regs - at the very least physical card and DOT number.

DOT is mostly concerned with vehicles of commerce. They typically do not apply to motorhomes/RVs.

The requirements listed above have been enforced for at least ten years in our local jurisdiction.
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Getting the numbers is not the problem, it's being on the road 100% legal that is the problem. You have to re-read the rules a dozen times to figure them out, and when you think you have them straight, someone comes along and tells you otherwise; it all depends on how someone interprets them. I bought a new dump truck back in 2003, and it stays parked in my shop most of the time for "safety" reasons. It has about 30,000 mi on it, and looks like it just came out of the dealership, but it's safer to keep it parked when I can do without than worry about getting tickets. I try to pull my equipment with my F350 diesel pick up when I can, and use a dump trailer or container for light demo. The last thing you need first thing in the morning when you are headed out to make a living, is being hassled with scales and tickets.
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Any vehicle registered over 10k must comply with DOT regs.

Any vehicle or combination whose registration exceeds 10k must show DOT number and the operator must have DOT physical card.

Any vehicle or combination not exceeding 26k can be operated on a standard DL. But over 10k must comply with DOT regs - at the very least physical card and DOT number.

DOT is mostly concerned with vehicles of commerce. They typically do not apply to motorhomes/RVs.

The requirements listed above have been enforced for at least ten years in our local jurisdiction.
...and I believe any trailer over 10,000 GVW requires a class A CDL, regardless of truck GVW; at least that is how I understand it on certain days.
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Any vehicle registered over 10k must comply with DOT regs.

Any vehicle or combination whose registration exceeds 10k must show DOT number and the operator must have DOT physical card.

Any vehicle or combination not exceeding 26k can be operated on a standard DL. But over 10k must comply with DOT regs - at the very least physical card and DOT number.

DOT is mostly concerned with vehicles of commerce. They typically do not apply to motorhomes/RVs.

The requirements listed above have been enforced for at least ten years in our local jurisdiction.
Re-read what you just posted, and explain the logic. So now the state is interested in whether you have a physical card? Up to 26k has been the rule here for a long while, the exception being air brakes.

Now.....I have held a commercial driver's license since 1979....when 18, in Oklahoma, we could get a commercial, allowing us to drive intrastate. 21 to go interstate. In 1991, when Oklahoma adopted the CDL program, I complied, and obtained a class A CDL.

I am educated, hold a few Federal licenses, and understand the Department of Transportation as well as any layman does, and probably better then 98% of the clowns out there "enforcing" the rules.

With the CDL program, and supposedly "standardization" of the rules, we now have the FUBAR nonsense in place now. In the original form, the DOT was supposed to regulate the interstate transportation of goods across America.....not across town. Your local department of public safety is supposed to determine whether your vehicle is safe, or roadworthy.

The "career" law enforcement specialist that hammered me the other day did not understand how the Prodigy brake controller in my truck worked.... . Why as part of the anti skid system, it doesn't lock the wheels up for a "dry slide" to prove to his satisfaction the brakes worked. He actually had to get in the passenger side and let me roll down the road to see that yes, the trailer brakes work with the truck brakes.

The break-away controller wasn't attached. The trailer was built before break-aways were installed. Didn't matter to this Einstein. In the end, 12 warnings on the ticket, 2 citation offenses for fines, and $425 later.

So...any of you guys with a driver's license have a heath card? Just asking. I have a CDL, but if you read carefully, I have to have an office to hold a DOT number.....I office from home. Read the regulations..and see how this makes you feel.
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If any vehicle over 10K needs a DOT number, then how does U-Haul get away without having one on the side of their trucks? I notice all of the other rental truck companies have them.
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You can always do what I guy I know does, Put a little kitchen and toilet in his box truck to meet state RV requirements, registers it as an RV.
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How hard is it to get a DOT number? I heard it's a lengthy process.
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/documents/f...s-and-Form.pdf
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Well I hope it's a while before it hits New Mexico. I guess I'm a little ahead of the game since I already have my CDL and a health card.
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I have been told different answers each time I call the DMV or VDOT about DOT numbers. No one has a clear answer. Based on the DMV website as long as I don't go interstate on my travels I don't need a DOT number even though I'm over 10k lbs. they make it so hard to understand that even they dont understand it.
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All contained in the www.fmcsa.dot.gov/ .... in other words, the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration.....and there lies the tale.

We are not motor carriers, we are hauling our materials or equipment, and the expansion of the rules to bring added income from another sector of the economy that cannot fight back.
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I have been told different answers each time I call the DMV or VDOT about DOT numbers. No one has a clear answer. Based on the DMV website as long as I don't go interstate on my travels I don't need a DOT number even though I'm over 10k lbs. they make it so hard to understand that even they dont understand it.
That's my understanding too. Intrastate commerce no dot number needed over 10k GVWR/GCWR. Interstate, dot number needed. Some states require dot numbers regardless. Mass does not yet but I was told it would eventually. Over 10k GVWR truck you need- dot physical card, fire extinguisher, wheel chocks, reflective triangles, first aid kit. Anything else? That's what I have for my 11k pickup.
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If any vehicle over 10K needs a DOT number, then how does U-Haul get away without having one on the side of their trucks? I notice all of the other rental truck companies have them.
When I was moving my family from Seattle to Maine, we rented a 30'(?) Ryder truck. S. Dakota had signs for 6k gvw to stop at the weigh station. I was like "6k? That's a 3/4 ton truck"

I thought no way that meant me. Well, it did....and the state trooper was not too happy I passed a weigh station. Not quite like Jays outcome, but damn he was making my life a misery. 2 hours later, after all the inspections and drug searches, I was able to continue on my way.

The big thing here in Maine is the brakes on dump trucks. Huge fines.
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And if this isn't enough:
I guess they want to create some more revenue, and make some of us either comply, or give up the CDL. I am really starting to hate some aspects of the loons that create these laws. Bet they cannot show any benefit to anyone, except justify why they get a paycheck.

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I have been told different answers each time I call the DMV or VDOT about DOT numbers. No one has a clear answer. Based on the DMV website as long as I don't go interstate on my travels I don't need a DOT number even though I'm over 10k lbs. they make it so hard to understand that even they dont understand it.
It depends on what your state rules say, even though the DOT number is federal. In Washington you have to have a DOT number even if you never leave the state. The main reason is because they want a easily identifiable number on your truck for the public to identify your truck or company.
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This has been in place here for years, probably at least 6-8 years actually.

You failed to mention what's typically the most expensive and cumbersome requirement of all of the DOT rules: Yearly vehicle and trailer inspections. The cost for inspection isn't terrible, but correcting "excessively leaking oil lines, etc..." can add up quick...........
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And people wonder why we have to charge so much.
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As a matter of fact, I do have my medical card. Upgraded my DL to a chauffeur license also. In Michigan my understanding is that a CDL is not required for my 3/4 ton pickup and dump trailer combo. Agree that the cheap part of the mech inspection is the fee . . . Working toward becoming compliant but know that being pulled over is automatically a revenue positive for the state and/or feds no matter how diligent in crossing t's and dotting i's. On the advice of the officer flying a desk and answering the phone, DOT numbers are on the trailer, as they are not needed unless towing. Of course, the Sooper Trooper I spoke with at the local fuel station says the law points to the tow vehicle as the required number display. Sure would be nice if information and enforcement was standardized . . .

Had a friend whose employee was pulled over . . . dump truck, trailer, skid steer, the works. Held up for over an hour, including a trip to the local scale house to prove weight compliance with equipment ratings. No infraction found . . . initial complaint was 1 mph over the 60 speed limit. The (female) officer was VERY frustrated . . .

I agree with Joasis . . . it's all about the Benjamins . . .
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I agree with most here that it ultimately is about the collections. The first DOT shakedown I paid for was close to ten years ago, cost close to $500.00 and included chargeable offenses that included unsecured cargo. The unsecured cargo was dirt in a bobcat bucket. The inspector thought that the dirt in the bucket could become dislodged in a collision and cause damage.

The most recent encounter was last year and was under $60.00. Two of Marylands finest invested close to one hour to collect $60.00. I'd say thats a losing investment on their part.

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