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Old 03-25-2019, 07:51 AM   #61
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Old 03-27-2019, 08:02 AM   #62
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As a millennial, my position is this:

1. Yep, their processes sound absolutely useless. Overly convoluted, and unnecessary.

2. This has nothing to do with them being millennials.

Just because a business, whatever their age, adopts modern technology to operate, doesn't mean that if they get it wrong it's demonstrative of their entire generation. There are still plenty of businesses who don't use digital tech at all and still get things completely wrong.

Sounds like you've had a pretty frustrating experience, I feel for you for sure, these guys will learn in the long run when they develop a reputation as a nightmare to work with.

On the other hand though, I think there's always a risk with threads like this becoming a bit unfriendly, and turning into 'millennial-bashing', which is never positive. Tech is a great thing, and it can make life a lot easier. Millennials generally are more 'at home' with it, for sure - but doesn't mean they're all as air-headed and useless as these guys!
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You bring up some good perspective. With regards to the specific “Melenials” that are the subjects here, we have to look at the original intent for their use of technology. That seems to be to make it easier for yourself, with little or no regards to the other person. In a sense, this is a high tech version of the General or Owner, who has all sorts of excuses to either sit on the money, or wait till more comes in. Ultimately, this allows them to leverage their company overhead or lifestyle at the expense of the trades and suppliers.

I have found paying the trades, and suppliers promptly, early and handing them a check, pays better dividends than a few dollars of interest in the bank.

Making them jump thru hoops and beg, for something that is rightly theirs, is wrong.
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So I'm working on a large project where the GC probably has 20 people in the field office.

I turn in my paint submittal package (data sheets and SDS). Specs say I can use BM, PPG or SW. I elected to use PPG.

Anyway, they get rejected by the GC. I call and ask why. The 20ish year old field engineer says the finish schedule on the plans says the COLORS are based on SW, so that's what I have to use!
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I'd use ppg all day over SW.
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Hoardings,

You bring up some good perspective. With regards to the specific “Melenials” that are the subjects here, we have to look at the original intent for their use of technology. That seems to be to make it easier for yourself, with little or no regards to the other person. In a sense, this is a high tech version of the General or Owner, who has all sorts of excuses to either sit on the money, or wait till more comes in. Ultimately, this allows them to leverage their company overhead or lifestyle at the expense of the trades and suppliers.

I have found paying the trades, and suppliers promptly, early and handing them a check, pays better dividends than a few dollars of interest in the bank.

Making them jump thru hoops and beg, for something that is rightly theirs, is wrong.
Couldn't agree more! Technology should never be used at the expense of the customer or client, it should be used to make life easier for everyone - you're right, if any digital system ends up costing time, money, or reputation, it's not worth it. I was just pointing out that this isn't specifically *because* they're millennials, they clearly just don't have their priorities straight!
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Couldn't agree more! Technology should never be used at the expense of the customer or client, it should be used to make life easier for everyone - you're right, if any digital system ends up costing time, money, or reputation, it's not worth it. I was just pointing out that this isn't specifically *because* they're millennials, they clearly just don't have their priorities straight!
I tell you what, hoss, I'm no expert but I definitely have more trouble with Millineals than guys in the late 30s - 60. This is derived from 11 years in business and the hiring and firing of a lot of hands.

For instance, take a 21 year old laborer and tell him to dig a Hole For A Sump pump you get a list of questions - why? Where is the mini ex? Why can't we wait until the mini ex is here? Why can't the plumber dig it?

I tell my 48 year old to do it he says yes sir and digs the hole. I was the same way when I was a laborer.

Don't get me wrong I will show anyone the big picture but not when Im working or they are supposed to be.

****ing with phones, not wanting to work overtime when it is necessary, not wanting to do hard physical work is common for them. Not all, my best guy is 29. But he is the exception not the rule in my experience.


Btw I am a millineal. Turn 36 in two weeks.

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So I'm working on a large project where the GC probably has 20 people in the field office.

I turn in my paint submittal package (data sheets and SDS). Specs say I can use BM, PPG or SW. I elected to use PPG.

Anyway, they get rejected by the GC. I call and ask why. The 20ish year old field engineer says the finish schedule on the plans says the COLORS are based on SW, so that's what I have to use!
Did you go over his head and get it resolved?
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I tell you what, hoss, I'm no expert but I definitely have more trouble with Millineals than guys in the late 30s - 60. This is derived from 11 years in business and the hiring and firing of a lot of hands.

For instance, take a 21 year old laborer and tell him to dig a Hole For A Sump pump you get a list of questions - why? Where is the mini ex? Why can't we wait until the mini ex is here? Why can't the plumber dig it?

I tell my 48 year old to do it he says yes sir and digs the hole. I was the same way when I was a laborer.

Don't get me wrong I will show anyone the big picture but not when Im working or they are supposed to be.

****ing with phones, not wanting to work overtime when it is necessary, not wanting to do hard physical work is common for them. Not all, my best guy is 29. But he is the exception not the rule in my experience.


Btw I am a millineal. Turn 36 in two weeks.

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I had that same problem "back in the day".

Just saying...

And a couple times, I blew my stack and got physical. Man, did not end well.
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Coming up....my only question would have been....how big do you want that hole?
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I had that same problem "back in the day".



Just saying...



And a couple times, I blew my stack and got physical. Man, did not end well.
Could just be an age disparity - but in my experience over the last eighteen or nineteen years I do believe the younger guys now act more entitled than my peers did. The phone thing could be skewing my perception though. It pisses me off to no end.

I say that while I am posting on my phone sitting in my office. They can do the same when it's their name on the sign at the road and a desk. LOL

I don't need a lot of hands using subs so I hire older guys mostly

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I tell you what, hoss, I'm no expert but I definitely have more trouble with Millineals than guys in the late 30s - 60. This is derived from 11 years in business and the hiring and firing of a lot of hands.

For instance, take a 21 year old laborer and tell him to dig a Hole For A Sump pump you get a list of questions - why? Where is the mini ex? Why can't we wait until the mini ex is here? Why can't the plumber dig it?

I tell my 48 year old to do it he says yes sir and digs the hole. I was the same way when I was a laborer.

Don't get me wrong I will show anyone the big picture but not when Im working or they are supposed to be.

****ing with phones, not wanting to work overtime when it is necessary, not wanting to do hard physical work is common for them. Not all, my best guy is 29. But he is the exception not the rule in my experience.


Btw I am a millineal. Turn 36 in two weeks.

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Fair point - I certainly can't argue with your own experiences, and I know you're far from the only person to have had that experience too!

I think there's certainly a case to argue a generational shift in attitude and work ethic (clearly, as your own experiences demonstrate), but I think it's just important to try not to have any preconceptions - would be a shame if millennials like you and me got lumped into the same category as the guys you've described is all!

It'll be interesting to see how/if this changes moving forwards too - we always talk about millennials, but Gen Z are making their way into employment now too...
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Fair point - I certainly can't argue with your own experiences, and I know you're far from the only person to have had that experience too!



I think there's certainly a case to argue a generational shift in attitude and work ethic (clearly, as your own experiences demonstrate), but I think it's just important to try not to have any preconceptions - would be a shame if millennials like you and me got lumped into the same category as the guys you've described is all!



It'll be interesting to see how/if this changes moving forwards too - we always talk about millennials, but Gen Z are making their way into employment now too...
I'm a throw back lol

Yes I am quite aware of the Gen Zs.

In my opinion construction will change considerably in the next 15 years, you will see less custom work and the custom work being done will be astronomical in price. I plan on my profits being astronomical for that work as well. LOL

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Coming up....my only question would have been....how big do you want that hole?
There is a pick and shovel in my truck right now. Mostly for when someone forgets to bring it but it still fits my hands lol

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There is a pick and shovel in my truck right now. Mostly for when someone forgets to bring it but it still fits my hands lol

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Anymore...I'd just rather do it myself and not have to explain who/what/when/where and why...get off the phone...I don't know what time we'll be done...no, I don't think it'll rain....yada, yada, yada.
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Could just be an age disparity - but in my experience over the last eighteen or nineteen years I do believe the younger guys now act more entitled than my peers did. The phone thing could be skewing my perception though. It pisses me off to no end.

I say that while I am posting on my phone sitting in my office. They can do the same when it's their name on the sign at the road and a desk. LOL

I don't need a lot of hands using subs so I hire older guys mostly

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The phone thing...

Yeah, a laborer I had, good guy, never gonna be more...but he's got this online marketing/talk/ BS thing going on ALL THE TIME. Got the earbuds plugged on, talking away. I get pissed because often I'm not sure he's talking to me - or one of his "people".

Technically shouldn't mean much to me - doesn't interfere with pushing broom, or hauling out trash But we reached an understanding - if he's in my space - the chatter STOPS.

PS: I tell the guy 3 things to do - he maybe would remember 2.
That's on a good day.
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I let my guys listen to their headphones when they're doing something that doesn't require constant communication and doesn't pose a safety risk, but I tell them if I come into the room and ask something, then have to wait a second while they pause their **** and ask me what I just said, then I'll throw the damn headphones out.
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Ya we usually have the radio cranked knocking out work, but when each of us is doing something different, I don’t care if you wear earphones while staining boards.

Side note, but I find it best to have the radio up so nobody gets conversating too much, it detracts from productivity and everybody is such an ‘individual’ anymore that they can’t talk without getting offended.

Back to the talk on my generation, I’m younger than all of the other GCs in my area, most of the ones my age that I know of washed out. I have been meeting lots of subs my age it seems, and most of them are killing it.

One problem I see is my age group having trouble managing money. My guys have a hell of a time with it.


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As you get older you imagine your generation or yourself at that age differently than how you really were back then. We were all just the same but the details were different. Now we can say damned millenials are always on their phones, while 25 years ago guys were sneaking off to answer pagers or find pay phones.
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Along the same lines how do you handle subs on final payments? Do you wait until the final inspection is complete, or do you pay them when they complete their portion of the project? I have been tossing this around for awhile.

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