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Old 01-05-2019, 01:55 PM   #41
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Nope, cwatbay is not Allen. I don't know who allen is, but obviously he is a builder in his 60's who has been doing business for 40 years.

I've been in my current business since around 1996, so only 23 years.


I'm lost as to who Allen is then

You think your GC friends are in love with the software/Tech bells and whistles over practical application of tech? Or in this case trying to get a system that does everything for everyone even tho it's not needed for many situations.
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Old 01-05-2019, 02:07 PM   #42
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I'm lost as to who Allen is then

You think your GC friends are in love with the software/Tech bells and whistles over practical application of tech? Or in this case trying to get a system that does everything for everyone even tho it's not needed for many situations.

The new thing, especially among young techie types that think that everything is better with tech attached, is to implement web based systems that collect data, interpret data, analyze data and rank data.

Theoretically, CFO's and CTO's can look at all of this and make decisions. This is exactly the wrong thing to do. That is: have your accountant and tech guru type, make business decisions for you. Advice, sure, but not be the decision maker.

In the case of this GC and techie pal, it is a wall of protection for them. And, it's a lazy way of avoiding work. Make the sub's do all the paperwork, while you collect the money, keep the money, then dole it out when you feel like it. Add to that: no direct communication. Just email everything and avoid face to face, or, phone calls.
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No offense but HUH?



I was speaking to these two in the quote and their "online system". Not, I assume you mean cwatbay as Allen.
Ah, I soured you because you qputed Barnsey who soured AllanE.

No offense taken, just was letting you know Allan wasn't a millineal lol
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Nope it's a formulated one system fits all web based nonsense. They are using it because of the 'Cool'; geek factor, not as the proper application of modules or complements within it. That's set up for somewhat full commercial, not residential and certainly not small jobs, standards of invoicing. I call it the bright sparkly tech syndrome.
FYI....As per their website, Allan Edwards has been building new homes in Houston since 1974. Obviously the software works for him. I didn't say it works for all businesses, I said it's a great use of software for HIM. And if you read my earlier post, I said "The techy millenials have gone too far into the latest technologies with their apps, software, portals, etc." Have a good one!
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FYI....As per their website, Allan Edwards has been building new homes in Houston since 1974. Obviously the software works for him. I didn't say it works for all businesses, I said it's a great use of software for HIM. And if you read my earlier post, I said "The techy millenials have gone too far into the latest technologies with their apps, software, portals, etc." Have a good one!
What they use the same software as cwtbay's GC he mentioned? Obviously he has properly chose and implemented to fit his business. Surviving since 1974 as any kind of builder teaches a few things about efficiency and balance in application.

cwtbay's CTO boy's application of tech is my issue. Wasn't with you as it was late so my poor and crass typed written verbal skills shined through. I write specs, detailed dry proposals and contracts - not flowery safe pace language, sorry if I riled any feathers.
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Ah, no feathers actually riled here. I actually lost my feathers along time ago in a feather plucking mishap :O
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It was a feather flucking flareup then?
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29 here, still rockin a check book and buyin stamps. Iíve seen some guys that can accept cards as payment, I havenít made it that far yet but I would like to.

Iíll admit, a lot of my peers are worthless, but who created millennials?


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I met Allen Edwards last year at IBS. Heís got a lot of experience and provides some great kernels of wisdom here


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Sounds like these guys won't be in business long. Dumb noobies like this can't figure out that if you treat your subs like dirt you dont have a business. In my book, making people jump through hoops to get paid for their work IS treating them like dirt. I think a lot of GCs do this to keep more money in their pocket because they dont know how to bid jobs, set up payment schedules and dont make any money on the jobs anyways. My firm pays bills every tuesday, my guys dont have to wait longer than 7 days for their checks ever. Funny thing, any time I call my subs, they'd show up the next day.
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Sounds like these guys won't be in business long. Dumb noobies like this can't figure out that if you treat your subs like dirt you dont have a business. In my book, making people jump through hoops to get paid for their work IS treating them like dirt. I think a lot of GCs do this to keep more money in their pocket because they dont know how to bid jobs, set up payment schedules and dont make any money on the jobs anyways. My firm pays bills every tuesday, my guys dont have to wait longer than 7 days for their checks ever. Funny thing, any time I call my subs, they'd show up the next day.
We pay Every Friday as long as invoices are submitted by Monday. Only had issues with younger subs expectating to get paid on the spot as soon as they finished. Try to explain to some that there is payment schedules and as GC's we get paid as soon as we meet targets doesn't comprihend by them...
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29 here, still rockin a check book and buyin stamps. Iíve seen some guys that can accept cards as payment, I havenít made it that far yet but I would like to.

Iíll admit, a lot of my peers are worthless, but who created millennials?


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Hello fellow millennial who still rocks the check book and stamps. There are literally tens of us.
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Hello fellow millennial who still rocks the check book and stamps. There are literally tens of us.


I think itís gonna get really good for us in another ten years or so. As the older guys retire and thereís not many people going into the trades weíll be able to name our price and start making lawyer wages swinging hammers.


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I sure hope so. Things that scare me on a 10 year basis are national builders and decline in home ownership. Additionally I see the rest of our generation being more apt to shop for contractors and other services through home advisor and similar services which adds another dimension to advertising for us contractors. I dont have the money to compete against them in advertising and i definitely dont want to give them money for work.
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...I see the rest of our generation being more apt to shop for contractors and other services through home advisor and similar services which adds another dimension to advertising for us contractors. I dont have the money to compete against them in advertising and i definitely dont want to give them money for work.
This.

When Amazon or one of the tech companies gets serious about home services we're going to get screwed big time. You think the HD/Lowes installer deal is bad, wait for a big tech company to figure out how to "disrupt" (aka screw) contractors.
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Hey now dont be giving them any ideas. Yesterday not ten minutes after i commented about home advisor i got my second call of the day from them.
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I sure hope so. Things that scare me on a 10 year basis are national builders and decline in home ownership. Additionally I see the rest of our generation being more apt to shop for contractors and other services through home advisor and similar services which adds another dimension to advertising for us contractors. I dont have the money to compete against them in advertising and i definitely dont want to give them money for work.
I haven't seen it yet with quality clients. I've done work for several people in their mid-30s who are very tech-savvy, they still went with word-of-mouth and the Parade of Homes etc for finding a builder.

House, website Etc it's a crapshoot on whether or not the lead is any good. Usually shopping and getting multiple bids

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Another timely topic on CT, just today I was making arrangements to do some work as a sub, not something I do very often. This topic was in my mind and will make me specify a payment agreement. Thanks.
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[QUOTE=skill77;7505427]I sure hope so. Things that scare me on a 10 year basis are national builders and decline in home ownership.

Ya nobody our age owns houses, bunch of renting retards. 95% of my customers are in their 60s or better.

I do always laugh when I see my age group in the box stores staring at tile trying to figure out how they are supposed to attach it to their house.


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