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Old 03-07-2012, 07:43 AM   #141
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Yeah I want to know if I can go to the manufacturer plant to buy my shingles? I mean if my supplier can sell them to me at $10 a square cheaper than the big box stores, I bet I could get them from the manufacturer at $50 less than big box stores.
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I'm with TNT on this. Were still waiting fir specifics on where the average small business can go w/o connections and buy stuff at wholesale 30-250% discount. The quoted thread implies that anybody can do this and if your not your being foolish. Maybe Terroran will come back and elaborate.

I would love to get my acoustical ceilings at wholesale prices along w some other items
Yes, if only I could woo someone from Chicago Metallic or Armstrong...If you figure out how to do that, let me know.

Our CMC & Armstrong ceilings just went up 30% a few months ago, with another 12% coming in the 3rd or 4th quarter. I don't even know how bad USG went up.

Oh, how I'd like to get that money back.
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I quickly figured im paying about $2.25 per sq ft for ceiling material.

Including 1pc of F-channel and 2'x2' "dune" lay in tile, all 15/16" grid
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I am not sure I understand. Do I stir the pot or do I seek approval of others. I am pretty sure that one is counter produtive to the other.
Both... one is not dependent on the other...

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It is foolish for you to think that the intent on you words is not meant to insult and belittle.
No, it is foolish to assume you knew my intent. If you read my words wrong, or if my words lead you to a wrong conclusion, my apologies, but I started answering you on this thread providing you resources, and if you re-read my next post it also sought to give you information you apparently don't have and are insisting by debating that is doesn't exist for everyone... it does...

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My smart ass dumb ass comment was a come back, others saw it as that, and even commented in jest, as it was meant. I tried to make light of someone taking a poke at me. You however saw something you wanted to see and thus are throwing it in my face as some sort of hypocrisy. Just like you accuse me, you have an agenda.
LOL... Rob, you are the only one accusing people of having an agenda. The only time you will find a post of mine mentioning an agenda was when you accused me of it in another thread, and I then pointed out that you laid out your agenda for everyone to see in another thread, which ended up being totally wrong and a HUGE assumption on your part.

As far as "smart a**" / "dumb a**" goes, they are hardly an example of building someone up, hence my quote of yours - "I was always told that people cut others down to make themselves feel better".

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Back to the insults...instead of ending his post, Plummen made it personal. You have done the same.
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You have done the same. When asking questions, I do not attack the individual. I do not say in one hand that I don't know you, and then analyze a personality defect.
Putting aside the incredulous statement that you don't attack people, whether back-handed or openly, when I refer to I don't know you, the context was in regards to "I know you have an issue with me". I don't... and as is the case with the rest of the posts, you read into it. I even pointedly told you I don't...

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Again, you can't have it both ways. Either you know me or you don't. If you claim not to know me, then you cannot know that I have an ego or attitude based off of a few hundred post on the internet.
Your interactions with myself and others display it often. For example, take this thread... instead of realigning your thought process from positing that people can't buy from manufacturers and/or wholesale distributors to "hey maybe I was wrong on that", especially after MULTIPLE people are telling you it can be done and even providing or being willing to provide resources (IOW, people trying to HELP), you hold on to your one perspective continuing to debate that is can't be consistently done because you don't want to be wrong. IMHO, that is ego, and it can get in your way... Don't you think it would have been better to say "hey, I didn't know that... thanks for the info!"?...

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This takes me back to stirring the pot. I have heard it repeatedly that I stir the pot. So I rub some the wrong way. I am not here to please everyone. There are those on this site who have that kind of personality, I am not one of them. I like to think that I spark interesting conversation and add a bit to the site. Maybe you should look through the over 3000 posts that I have and then let me know if I am here to just stir the pot.
I never said anything about your "3000 posts", yet you keep bringing it up as if it is some sort of qualifier (again, seeking that approval), as if that has anything to do with the content of what you are writing now. I have been posting over at WoodWeb for over a decade, do my ten's of thousands of posts qualify me?

I am sure my perspective over a decade ago is different than now... as yours will most likely be... so how many posts you have is irrelevant to what you are typing today...

There is a difference between stirring the pot, and having real differing POV's...


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I'll end with this, even though you have made statements regarding my ego, inability to listen, and other faults, I still have yet to try and pick you apart or belittle you in public. I guess I could do it and just say that I am trying to help you, but again, that would be insulting to assume that I could offer you any help not really knowing you or your life.
You KNOW that is demonstrably false... Do I really need to waste time citing examples, or can you just admit you were wrong in saying that?...

I don't know you personally, but I can offer help based on what you type. How you equate helping with insulting is an interesting twist of logic. If that were the case, everyone would have to know each other on CT, before they could offer help or different perspectives...

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But hey, as you say, good luck!
And when I say "Best of luck!"... I really mean it, even if I disagree with you... 8^)
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This thread starts to come down to,it does not matter what you know, but WHO you know :
Theres lots of options out there for anything in life,it just depends how hard you want to look for them is all
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I'm with TNT on this. Were still waiting fir specifics on where the average small business can go w/o connections and buy stuff at wholesale 30-250% discount. The quoted thread implies that anybody can do this and if your not your being foolish. Maybe Terroran will come back and elaborate.

I would love to get my acoustical ceilings at wholesale prices along w some other items
Look in the phone book,ask around its not really complicated.
I just looked in my phone book under lumber and found a retail section and a wholesale section,took a whole 15 seconds and Im not even a carpenter
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"And when I say "Best of luck!"... I really mean it, even if I disagree with you... 8^) "

KAP, sorry brother but I didn't read the whole thing.

I cannot want people to approve of me and be the one that walks around stirring the pot. People obviously have an issue with pot stirrers.

Second, you said that I go posting just to stir the pot, that would be an agenda my friend.

Third, since last night several others have taken the same position. Not sure what that means, but I do know that I am not alone in my question.

Thanks KAP for showing me that it's not an issue you have with me, seeing that you will most assuredly address all those that have posted since last night, with the same vigor you have come at me.

SCS "I'm with TNT on this."

BAM "Yeah I want to know if I can go to the manufacturer plant to buy my shingles?"

Mud MAster "if only I could woo someone from Chicago Metallic or Armstrong...If you figure out how to do that, let me know."

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Both... one is not dependent on the other...



No, it is foolish to assume you knew my intent. If you read my words wrong, or if my words lead you to a wrong conclusion, my apologies, but I started answering you on this thread providing you resources, and if you re-read my next post it also sought to give you information you apparently don't have and are insisting by debating that is doesn't exist for everyone... it does...



LOL... Rob, you are the only one accusing people of having an agenda. The only time you will find a post of mine mentioning an agenda was when you accused me of it in another thread, and I then pointed out that you laid out your agenda for everyone to see in another thread, which ended up being totally wrong and a HUGE assumption on your part.

As far as "smart a**" / "dumb a**" goes, they are hardly an example of building someone up, hence my quote of yours - "I was always told that people cut others down to make themselves feel better".



No, I haven't... you took it that way...



Putting aside the incredulous statement that you don't attack people, whether back-handed or openly, when I refer to I don't know you, the context was in regards to "I know you have an issue with me". I don't... and as is the case with the rest of the posts, you read into it. I even pointedly told you I don't...



Your interactions with myself and others display it often. For example, take this thread... instead of realigning your thought process from positing that people can't buy from manufacturers and/or wholesale distributors to "hey maybe I was wrong on that", especially after MULTIPLE people are telling you it can be done and even providing or being willing to provide resources (IOW, people trying to HELP), you hold on to your one perspective continuing to debate that is can't be consistently done because you don't want to be wrong. IMHO, that is ego, and it can get in your way... Don't you think it would have been better to say "hey, I didn't know that... thanks for the info!"?...



I never said anything about your "3000 posts", yet you keep bringing it up as if it is some sort of qualifier (again, seeking that approval), as if that has anything to do with the content of what you are writing now. I have been posting over at WoodWeb for over a decade, do my ten's of thousands of posts qualify me?

I am sure my perspective over a decade ago is different than now... as yours will most likely be... so how many posts you have is irrelevant to what you are typing today...

There is a difference between stirring the pot, and having real differing POV's...




You KNOW that is demonstrably false... Do I really need to waste time citing examples, or can you just admit you were wrong in saying that?...

I don't know you personally, but I can offer help based on what you type. How you equate helping with insulting is an interesting twist of logic. If that were the case, everyone would have to know each other on CT, before they could offer help or different perspectives...



And when I say "Best of luck!"... I really mean it, even if I disagree with you... 8^)
TNT:So where did I make it personal?
You said you wanted names of some of these places to get supplies at wholesale prices,I named a few and asked how long youve been in the trades.
If you consider that a personal attack you must have a really tough time dealing with people on job sites.
If I took stuff like that seriously I wouldve had to find a differant line of work 30 plus years ago!
You were the one who answered it with long enough to know the differance between a smart ass and a dumb ass.
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TNT:So where did I make it personal?
You said you wanted names of some of these places to get supplies at wholesale prices,I named a few and asked how long youve been in the trades.
If you consider that a personal attack you must have a really tough time dealing with people on job sites.
If I took stuff like that seriously I wouldve had to find a differant line of work 30 plus years ago!
You were the one who answered it with long enough to know the differance between a smart ass and a dumb ass.
What's funny is you don't even know when you are doing it.

When you asked how long I had been in the trades and followed it by a laugh, it was not a serious question but a personal attack. It was an insinuation that i must not be in the business long enough to know.

Correct, I answered back, I did not personally attack anyone in my original question. You however, when trying to answer my post, did. It was unnecessary and added nothing to the conversation.

I didn't take it to heart and cry myself to sleep, you think too much of yourself. I doubt if a MOD came in and said that was uncalled for, you wouldn't say that they were taking it serious, just trying to keep the conversation on point and out of a negative spin.

I wonder, if like KAP, you will now direct the same responses to those that have the same question I did, or was it just easier to attack my question when it was 2 against 1?
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Well if we had smiley faces on here I wouldnt have to use the little laughing guy so much!
I dont think too highly of myself,Ive got a lot of repeat customers over the last 30 years who seem to be happy with me though.SMILEY FACE
Ill wait till I see another person react the same way when people answer the same question,then we'll all know.SMILEY FACE

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What's funny is you don't even know when you are doing it.

When you asked how long I had been in the trades and followed it by a laugh, it was not a serious question but a personal attack. It was an insinuation that i must not be in the business long enough to know.

Correct, I answered back, I did not personally attack anyone in my original question. You however, when trying to answer my post, did. It was unnecessary and added nothing to the conversation.

I didn't take it to heart and cry myself to sleep, you think too much of yourself. I doubt if a MOD came in and said that was uncalled for, you wouldn't say that they were taking it serious, just trying to keep the conversation on point and out of a negative spin.

I wonder, if like KAP, you will now direct the same responses to those that have the same question I did, or was it just easier to attack my question when it was 2 against 1?
I'm not getting into this to argue with anyone...Rob. But what I find is the guys who've been doing this a lot longer than us usually have the connections. Basically in my market the carpenters that have been here longer than HD and Blowes have the connections a yards that been in business a long time and are usually hidden somewhere off the main roads. Rob do you remember when the big box stores rolled in? I do but wasn't in the trades to care before that. I remember thinking wow that's a huge store, cool. At least until I understood what was happening, now most yards are gone. But I can still get cabinets, lighting/electrical, flooring, hardware, tile and a few others heavily discounted. I just need to plan for it, if its something small or I need it now I can get from HD.
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I quickly figured im paying about $2.25 per sq ft for ceiling material.

Including 1pc of F-channel and 2'x2' "dune" lay in tile, all 15/16" grid
Ouch. It might be cheaper for you you to call 9372224444 and drive to Dayton. :
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Supply houses are gearing more towards diverse inventories and high quality merchandise verses huge discounts. Having a quality product in stock is a niche they are filling around here.
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I think what's getting lost in the discussion here is wholesale versus retail and buying direct from the manufacturer is the profit.

If you are buying wholesale, you are getting different pricing than the HO. For example, Columbia Forest Products sells their Pure Bond ply through HD (retail) and to the trades through their wholesale distributors. If you are buying it through HD, you are paying retail, and have to pay to have it delivered. If you are buying from their wholesale distributor, you not only get the discount, but free delivery for 5 sheets or more.

If you purchase items through HD or Lowes, if you can't find a local building supply shop, at a minimum, go through their Pro-Desk and you can indeed save money. If you are doing an addition on a house, all you need is $2500 in purchase to qualify for up to 30% off your whole order. HD has free shipping for orders of certain size, again saving you time and money, compounding what you can make.

You may already be purchasing through a wholesale distributor, thereby getting it for less than the HO can get it for, so YOU get to the make the difference in markup. If you are able to buy something at a 20% discount off of retail, and mark it up 15%, you are still saving the customer 5% on each item... win/win... or charge them the whole 20%, what difference does it make to the HO? They can't get it for less and you are delivering it for them... You don't need to pay retail for these products... But if you don't mark-up your materials, why bother with being a middleman? Because it costs money to be a middleman, and if you are not marking up the materials, YOU are paying for part of it. It is one area where profit leaks out your bank account.

As far as manufacturers go, it all depends on what products/services you make/install, but I can tell you that you can buy from manufacturers directly. As we all serve different segments in our industry, check into Thomas Register of American Manufacturers, and MacRAE's Blue Book.

Key here is regular purchases...
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KAP, sorry brother but I didn't read the whole thing.

I cannot want people to approve of me and be the one that walks around stirring the pot. People obviously have an issue with pot stirrers.

Second, you said that I go posting just to stir the pot, that would be an agenda my friend.

Third, since last night several others have taken the same position. Not sure what that means, but I do know that I am not alone in my question.

Thanks KAP for showing me that it's not an issue you have with me, seeing that you will most assuredly address all those that have posted since last night, with the same vigor you have come at me.

SCS "I'm with TNT on this."

BAM "Yeah I want to know if I can go to the manufacturer plant to buy my shingles?"

Mud MAster "if only I could woo someone from Chicago Metallic or Armstrong...If you figure out how to do that, let me know."

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Yawn... of course you didn't...

Don't worry... others did...

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I quickly figured im paying about $2.25 per sq ft for ceiling material.

Including 1pc of F-channel and 2'x2' "dune" lay in tile, all 15/16" grid
Ya know I just ran some quick numbers myself and came up with the same exact price. Now, those are budget numbers I went off of and he even said when he sent me them that these are high and will quote lower when I give him a take off.

I came up with $2.25 sqft for basic 15/16 grid, 12g wire and standard Armstrong 2x4 NDF fine fissured tile. Baroque is only slightly cheaper by about .15 square.

Add in $1.10-$2.10 for basic install and your AC just got alot higher to put in.

And were not even done with the increases.

Yup, an inside contact sounds really good right about now.
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And were not even done with the increases.

Yup, an inside contact sounds really good right about now.
When was the last time you had a sit-down with your rep?
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When was the last time you had a sit-down with your rep?
He took me to lunch the first of January. These new budget prices came out last week.

I have a USG supplier (a subsidiary of L& W supply) but don't do a whole lot of business with them anymore so I don't know their current prices.

If I HAD to guess, and I'm just spitballing I'd guess a real quote for a project would be closer to $2.00-$2.10 sqft for the ceiling, just based on history and his concession that these spreadsheet ceiling prices were high.
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The beauty of living/working in a place where you can purchase directly from manufacturers and wholesale distributors (and profit from it) can not be understated.

To all of those who don't have this "perk"? You have my sympathy.

To all of those who live in a major center yet still shop at a box store?

I am going to say it, I am with TNT on this one.

I bolded the part in which I believe he is referring to, because it is what I am basing it off of. Anyone can buy from distributors. My customers can buy from my distributor but yes, they will pay the same price I am already selling it to them for. Of course I make money on my purchases because of the amount of product I purchase from them.

What I want to know is how YOU are able to cut them out of the equation and go right to the manufacturer. I don't think I can call CertainTeed up on the phone, drive to the plant on Shakopee Minnesota and have them fill up the back of my pick up truck with shingles for half the cost I currently get them for at my supplier.

There is a huge difference between purchasing from a distributor compared to a manufacturer. If you could all purchase from manufacturers, there would be no Wal-Marts, Targets, or any retail stores.

Once again a "wholesale distributor" is different from a manufacturer. How do I get my manufacturers to sell to me directly and cut my distributor out?
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Just for its and grins i went on one of those online so called hvac supply places to compare prices on a typical 13 seer 2t goodman condensing unit.
They showed a list price of $1212.40 and their price was $911.00 plus shipping,of course thats for an uncharged unit.
I can walk into any supply house here locally that stocks/sells goodman and get the same unit precharged with freon for $600.00 or less without breaking a sweat and if I talk nice theyll even deliver it for that price.
Yes there is a serious differance between retail and real wholesale pricing .SMILEY FACE

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