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Old 01-09-2019, 08:25 PM   #1
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I'm considering doing an on site "test" for my next hiring batch of guys. Typically I've hired one guy at a time and gave them a chance but this time I'm thinking of doing things differently..

First is going to be a phone interview to get a general feel for the person. Ask multiple questions like "On a scale from one to five how good would you say you ate at.... Installing trim? Caulking in trim? Finishing drywall? Hanging a ceiling fan? Using a hand masker? Cutting in paint lines... etc. etc.

Seems everyone in theory is the best guy ever until you see them try to paint over silicone.

Next part would be set up a test for EVERY guy. Trim in a door, caulk in said door, cut in a clean paint line, hang a ceiling fan. Time myself doing each task as a baseline, not me working fast just a steady pace.

Third, take the guys that pass the tests and work them for a week then weed out the guys who make the bull**** excuses and show up late etc.

Have any of you tried this route? How did it work? Any tips or suggestions?

Thanks, Kev
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Old 01-09-2019, 10:23 PM   #2
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i'd much prefer a face to face meeting rather than a phone interview.

too easy to bs over the phone...

but he has to expend some effort to meet...

you can also get a read from body language, eye contact and other mannerisms.

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I'm considering doing an on site "test" for my next hiring batch of guys. Typically I've hired one guy at a time and gave them a chance but this time I'm thinking of doing things differently..



First is going to be a phone interview to get a general feel for the person. Ask multiple questions like "On a scale from one to five how good would you say you ate at.... Installing trim? Caulking in trim? Finishing drywall? Hanging a ceiling fan? Using a hand masker? Cutting in paint lines... etc. etc.



Seems everyone in theory is the best guy ever until you see them try to paint over silicone.



Next part would be set up a test for EVERY guy. Trim in a door, caulk in said door, cut in a clean paint line, hang a ceiling fan. Time myself doing each task as a baseline, not me working fast just a steady pace.



Third, take the guys that pass the tests and work them for a week then weed out the guys who make the bull**** excuses and show up late etc.



Have any of you tried this route? How did it work? Any tips or suggestions?



Thanks, Kev


So basically, you want them to have all the skills you have. A wide variety. Would a person with these skills work for what you are offering? Competitive Wages, benefits, opportunity for advancement, and a healthy/safe workplace?

It seems like many contractors donít offer the first, much less the rest. They pay peanuts and wonder why they attract monkeys.



If the candidates do have these trade skills, do they have a drivers license, reliable transportation, and clean urine?


I would tend to hire based on character and work ethic. Not how fast they can paint, frame, or shingle. A reliable economy car is better than an unreliable sports car.

Given enough time, you can train a monkey to frame, plumb, paint, or roof. Or to do the tasks that you specialize in and do frequently.


However, you generally cannot teach an adult honesty, integrity, or loyalty. You canít talk someone into sobriety or out or of bad decisions.


Hire for character, train for skill.


That said, a decent test may be to unload a truck. If unloading materials for a fence, he better hustle. If unloading windows, he better be careful. Either way, he should ask for instructions, move safely with purpose, and be aware of his surroundings. Good body mechanics and some mental activity should be evident.

I do like your idea of a task specific test, but many of those skills can be taught. Would you rather teach skills to a willing student or drive 20 minutes out of your way each day to pick up your painter with the (chronically) suspended license? No brainer for me.

I like the phone interview, but think it should be about the prerequisites.

- Why do you want to work for me?
- why should I hire you?
- reason for leaving your current job?
- ever been hurt on the job?
- how many sick days last year?
- employment record?
- references?

In other words, try to weed out the dealbreakers- druggies, drama queens, and derelicts before you even ask about skills.


Maybe a written questionnaire or an emailed response would be appropriate. That shows some technical skills and reveals somewhat their intelligence or lack of. I donít want stupid people working for me. They are a danger to themselves and others.


Showing up (reliability) trumps any perceived shortcomings in skill that can be remedied with training.





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i'd much prefer a face to face meeting rather than a phone interview.



too easy to bs over the phone...



but he has to expend some effort to meet...



you can also get a read from body language, eye contact and other mannerisms.


All true. But a phone call takes less of my time. And I can F2F if he passes the phone interview. I could weed one out in ten minutes instead of thirty.






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All true. But a phone call takes less of my time. And I can F2F if he passes the phone interview. I could weed one out in ten minutes instead of thirty.






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agreed, you can "kick the tires" over the phone and maybe quickly weed out the retreads...

but 30 minutes for a face to face????

no way, in a minute or two, or less, you'll either smell bs or perhaps see/hear something that piques your interest.
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agreed, you can "kick the tires" over the phone and maybe quickly weed out the retreads...



but 30 minutes for a face to face????



no way, in a minute or two, or less, you'll either smell bs or perhaps see/hear something that piques your interest.


If Iím not willing to spend half an hour with a guy who may be a good fit, why would I spend a week working with him to find out heís not?

30 minutes is a lot less time lost than a week. I would rather non- hire in a day than in a week.

- of course, it may take less than 30 minutes to fail the sniff test. No obligation to waste any more time after that.

The negative intangibles of tardiness, irresponsibility, and a victim mentality will always show up. Iíd rather find those red flags sooner than later. I would rather waste a couple hours today than 30 this week. If it takes an hour long face to face, it is still money ahead.


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Iím thrilled if they can pass two tasks.

First can they whittle a nice point on a carpenters pencil.

Second. Our town is laid out on a simple grid system. So can they find an address without gps.
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nice thing about commercial was when a guy came by the job if he didn't have a hard hat & boots, the conversation didn't last very long...
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No way would I have someone trim out a door unless he was already shown how to do it the way I want.
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So basically, you want them to have all the skills you have. A wide variety. Would a person with these skills work for what you are offering? Competitive Wages, benefits, opportunity for advancement, and a healthy/safe workplace?

It seems like many contractors donít offer the first, much less the rest. They pay peanuts and wonder why they attract monkeys.



If the candidates do have these trade skills, do they have a drivers license, reliable transportation, and clean urine?


I would tend to hire based on character and work ethic. Not how fast they can paint, frame, or shingle. A reliable economy car is better than an unreliable sports car.

Given enough time, you can train a monkey to frame, plumb, paint, or roof. Or to do the tasks that you specialize in and do frequently.


However, you generally cannot teach an adult honesty, integrity, or loyalty. You canít talk someone into sobriety or out or of bad decisions.


Hire for character, train for skill.


That said, a decent test may be to unload a truck. If unloading materials for a fence, he better hustle. If unloading windows, he better be careful. Either way, he should ask for instructions, move safely with purpose, and be aware of his surroundings. Good body mechanics and some mental activity should be evident.

I do like your idea of a task specific test, but many of those skills can be taught. Would you rather teach skills to a willing student or drive 20 minutes out of your way each day to pick up your painter with the (chronically) suspended license? No brainer for me.

I like the phone interview, but think it should be about the prerequisites.

- Why do you want to work for me?
- why should I hire you?
- reason for leaving your current job?
- ever been hurt on the job?
- how many sick days last year?
- employment record?
- references?

In other words, try to weed out the dealbreakers- druggies, drama queens, and derelicts before you even ask about skills.


Maybe a written questionnaire or an emailed response would be appropriate. That shows some technical skills and reveals somewhat their intelligence or lack of. I donít want stupid people working for me. They are a danger to themselves and others.


Showing up (reliability) trumps any perceived shortcomings in skill that can be remedied with training.





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Not wanting guys that can do everything I can, or at my speed. Simply a way to verify what they tell me. A lot of guys think they are good at something when they actually are not. Its not that they are lying, they just might not know that they are not good at it.

The phone interview is just to get a feel before the face to face meet, It wont necessarily exclude anyone although it could.

I do like some of your prerequisite questions and will add some of them to mine.
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Guys, great feedback, this is exactly what I was hoping for. What I'm really looking for is one or two all around guys and maybe two guys that can do half of what I need and hopefully one would make up for the difference where the other one would lack. I have never tried this approach so I'm hoping it will work. The obvious given requirements are drug screening, driving record, have a vehicle etc. The things mentioned above are just in addition too.

HDAVIS, any of the test work I would be having them do would be ripped down for the next guy or fixed by me. Its just to verify if they can do what they said they can.

Thanks Guys,

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