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Old 04-05-2019, 04:56 PM   #21
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Basic hand tools are mandatory, meaning a belt and a pouch, a hammer, a square and a tape, and anything else they think they might use regularly. Anything else they might need I'll have for them. I wouldn't expect someone to bring their own power tools as an employee, it's not their responsibility to have that much overhead.
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Old 04-05-2019, 04:59 PM   #22
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While we're on the subject, where do you all stand on cordless tools? Since there is a myriad of them these days, should a skilled "carpenter" have his own set or are you willing to provide a set including but not limited to a sawsall, drill, driver, multi tool, circular saw, palm sander and power plane?
If I'm there with them everyday I don't mind providing everything but if I was to send a carpenter out on a job he should have the tools he needs for said job. I suppose I could set him up with enough stuff but it would be at risk of being lost, stolen or damaged.
If I had a two man crew with a van I could see having it set up.
You are rapidly heading into sub contractor territory if you require the guys doing the work to show up with every tool they need.
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I provided pretty much all the tools I needed as an on staff carpenter, as did the other guys I worked with. I was even given as company trailer to haul my tools/ some materials in.

The company provided or rented more specific tools like as brake, jack hammer, concrete saw.

I was paid well enough that I didn't mind, although looking back that trailer added a lot of wear and tear to my truck over the years, it definitely made life easier though

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If Iím paying a guy 20 bucks an hour I donít expect him to have anything more than the basics. Hand tools and bags. If Iím paying a guy 30-35 I expect a cordless, skilsaw and sawzall on top of hand tools. If Iím paying 40+ then Heís a guy that has almost all tools minus job saw, specialty tools, and demo hammers. I usually buy tools for the guys as bonuses or appreciation for a good job and find they take care of them a lot better than ones I just drop off on site for all to use. Expendable are covered by me. Replacement parts too.


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I find myself in a strange position... I've been supplying my own tools and van for work since my own foray in to business failed.
I am fully loaded with almost everything I need for almost all phases of a project. Anything I don't have in the van, I keep in storage at home.
I can pretty much just get an address and a scope of work from the boss and get going on a project.
Lately I've had a little voice questioning if I should keep supplying my own tools for every job.
I am compensated fairly for what I produce, but have been pondering whether or not I should be asking for additional money to cover the use of my own tools.
I don't use the company tools because, well, they suck... Been beat up by other folks that don't treat them right.
And it saves me a ton of time having to load and unload other tools from one trailer or another.


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Old 04-06-2019, 07:14 PM   #26
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I find myself in a strange position... I've been supplying my own tools and van for work since my own foray in to business failed.
I am fully loaded with almost everything I need for almost all phases of a project. Anything I don't have in the van, I keep in storage at home.
I can pretty much just get an address and a scope of work from the boss and get going on a project.
Lately I've had a little voice questioning if I should keep supplying my own tools for every job.
I am compensated fairly for what I produce, but have been pondering whether or not I should be asking for additional money to cover the use of my own tools.
I don't use the company tools because, well, they suck... Been beat up by other folks that don't treat them right.
And it saves me a ton of time having to load and unload other tools from one trailer or another.


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I had a guy work for me that had a full utility truck full of all tools and parts. He was compensated well for it. When I hire a guy everything he brings to the table is part of my decision on pay rate.


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You are rapidly heading into sub contractor territory if you require the guys doing the work to show up with every tool they need.
Tell that to the auto dealerships. Their mechanics have to have thousands upon thousands of dollars worth of tools to do their jobs. I see no difference and a "skilled" carpenter makes more than any mechanic I've ever met.
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Tell that to the auto dealerships. Their mechanics have to have thousands upon thousands of dollars worth of tools to do their jobs. I see no difference and a "skilled" carpenter makes more than any mechanic I've ever met.


I agree anyone claiming to be a master carpenter and not have tools is full of poop.




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I find myself in a strange position... I've been supplying my own tools and van for work since my own foray in to business failed.
I am fully loaded with almost everything I need for almost all phases of a project. Anything I don't have in the van, I keep in storage at home.
I can pretty much just get an address and a scope of work from the boss and get going on a project.
Lately I've had a little voice questioning if I should keep supplying my own tools for every job.
I am compensated fairly for what I produce, but have been pondering whether or not I should be asking for additional money to cover the use of my own tools.
I don't use the company tools because, well, they suck... Been beat up by other folks that don't treat them right.
And it saves me a ton of time having to load and unload other tools from one trailer or another.


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Almost every good carpenter will have their own tools. If you want to negotiate a raise, go for it-but I wouldn't use the tools as a bargaining chip.
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Old 04-08-2019, 01:56 PM   #30
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I can buy a lot of tools for a buck an hour and they don't come with employment liabilities.


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When I was doing work for another company I was using my own tools because I had them laid out the way I wanted and I knew where everything was.

I negotiated this into my rate. If you just want me to show up I give a better rate than if I'm expected to show up and have all the right tools.

I've made good money having tools and stock on me when you go to a simple service call and they want something extra it rocks to have the tools and parts to be able to do additional work. (That is working for myself not stealing work from someone else who sent me out)

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Tell that to the auto dealerships. Their mechanics have to have thousands upon thousands of dollars worth of tools to do their jobs. I see no difference and a "skilled" carpenter makes more than any mechanic I've ever met.
And most of those tools are basic hand tools, like I said I would expect my guys to have.

Hard to wear out a wrench.

I wouldn't expect someone coming to work for me to provide their own power tools, they have a short service life every time you use them it gets shorter, they should not be expected to front that kind of expense.

Also, like the other guy said, there is no excuse for being slow on a job or not being able to do it if you provide them everything they need to get it done.

Either way, I wasn't wrong. The IRS uses certain guidelines to determine if a worker in an employee or a sub contractor, and one of them is if the worker is using their own tools.

Check out #6 here.

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-regs/sub...sfaq&a.prn.pdf
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I'm a pretty new business, but I'll give my two cents.

We build decks, and everything that goes along with it. I supply all power tools, but if they choose to use their own I'll replace it if it gets broken on site. I'd rather replace an impact than I good employee.

Also, a good labor is hard to find. I've noticed most can't afford a pot to piss in until that first paycheck. I supply their first set of bags, square, chalk line, hammer, nail puller, nail sets, and tape measure. It beats them showing up with nothing, or buying the plastic squares that aren't true and a "free" harbor freight tape measure that lasts about 2 days. After that, they replace bags and hand tools as they loose them or they break. I learned quick to make a rule that the bags stay in the trailer for at least a month. If they quit the next guy gets a hand me down, or the person can "buy" them from me out of their last paycheck. It's a nice perk to offer, and only costs me around $150 to set a good first impression with a new employee. They seem real appreciative when they recieve them.
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The guy I used to work for said everyone had to have their own pouch, with hammer pry bar utility knife....the basic hand tools. A drill/ impact driver. A two foot level, a 50’ extension cord and a skill saw. He provided blades and everything else.
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I'm a pretty new business, but I'll give my two cents.

We build decks, and everything that goes along with it. I supply all power tools, but if they choose to use their own I'll replace it if it gets broken on site. I'd rather replace an impact than I good employee.

Also, a good labor is hard to find. I've noticed most can't afford a pot to piss in until that first paycheck. I supply their first set of bags, square, chalk line, hammer, nail puller, nail sets, and tape measure. It beats them showing up with nothing, or buying the plastic squares that aren't true and a "free" harbor freight tape measure that lasts about 2 days. After that, they replace bags and hand tools as they loose them or they break. I learned quick to make a rule that the bags stay in the trailer for at least a month. If they quit the next guy gets a hand me down, or the person can "buy" them from me out of their last paycheck. It's a nice perk to offer, and only costs me around $150 to set a good first impression with a new employee. They seem real appreciative when they recieve them.
I operate with an exact opposite theory. What kind of a man with a trade skill does not have the inexpensive (cheap) tools for his trade that supports him and his family. I will not to hire a person who either never had the ambition to purchase an inexpensive set of hand tools, or he was so down in his life, for whatever reason, he had to sell them, or put them in a pawn shop.

My company absolutely refuses to hire an experienced person who cannot come to work with a full set of basic hand tools.

Our employees purchase all their own hand tools and we do not repair nor pay for them when they are broken on our jobs. We give our employees enough money and benefits and will not worry about the trivial cost for hammers, screw drivers, a sawzall and skill saw.

Maybe, if a an employee doesn't have hand tools he would at least have one friend who could loan him some until he gets his first paycheck. I want to hire winners who can teach me a few things. Not losers. That is the reason many companies do credit checks before hiring.
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I operate with an exact opposite theory. What kind of a man with a trade skill does not have the inexpensive (cheap) tools for his trade that supports him and his family. I will not to hire a person who either never had the ambition to purchase an inexpensive set of hand tools, or he was so down in his life, for whatever reason, he had to sell them, or put them in a pawn shop.

My company absolutely refuses to hire an experienced person who cannot come to work with a full set of basic hand tools.

Our employees purchase all their own hand tools and we do not repair nor pay for them when they are broken on our jobs. We give our employees enough money and benefits and will not worry about the trivial cost for hammers, screw drivers, a sawzall and skill saw.

Maybe, if a an employee doesn't have hand tools he would at least have one friend who could loan him some until he gets his first paycheck. I want to hire winners who can teach me a few things. Not losers. That is the reason many companies do credit checks before hiring.
I think you misread my post (or I did a poor job explaining). I ONLY provide the basics to the new greenhorns that we hire at our entry level rates. If I hire an experienced carpenter, I expect them to have their own bags and hand tools.

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