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Old 12-15-2012, 12:19 PM   #1
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Can Someone Help Me Make Sense Of This?


Was given this by a larger company I'm interested in subbing for. Came in thru the mail and there's not really any explanation other than to list "my prices". I don't need any numbers, or how to price, just need to make sense of the form.

Can someone help me make sense of this?-image-2492465225.jpg

Idk what [email protected] or [email protected] are?

I'm assuming this form's actual purpose is not what it's being used for, so I think I can ignore subtotals.

I'm lost

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Old 12-15-2012, 12:58 PM   #2
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They only sent you the one form with no other information?

Is this a reputable remodel contractor/custom home builder or a large regional home builder (constructing subdivisions and what not)?

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Kam,

That's the form where a big outfit like HD or a property preservation co. tries to get you confused and underbidding.

They are looking for you to grossly under bid an item and then they will send you purchase orders for 20 jobs of that line item per week untill you burn out/go broke.

Why don't you give us a little more info on this opportunity so we can guide you.
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Is there a Christmas card on the back?


I'm guessing they want some sort of price list for your services, to plug into their estimates, but seems a bit strange to just send you a generic page with no explanation.
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Just double your typical rates and then submit. Who knows you might be less than half what they charge..
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Kam,

That's the form where a big outfit like HD or a property preservation co. tries to get you confused and underbidding.

They are looking for you to grossly under bid an item and then they will send you purchase orders for 20 jobs of that line item per week untill you burn out/go broke.

Why don't you give us a little more info on this opportunity so we can guide you.
It's for a decent size remediation company who apparently have been getting the remodeling/restoration work after remediation.

They have in house staff of about 40-45 at the location in question, but their too busy still.

They're doing a lot of work in NJ in the wake of Sandy.

Would be a lot of drywall work, doors, base, case etc.

I'd be one of 4 sub/crews working for them to fill the void. Even if the work only lasted a couple months, for me that'd be great. I don't want to get burned out however.
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Just double your typical rates and then submit. Who knows you might be less than half what they charge..
Wasn't thinking double but certainly nothing less than normal. I'm sure they are doing well currently. They've recently bought a few warehouses along the coast from here to Boston.

They know its relatively temporary, but are taking full advantage now.
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It's for a decent size remediation company who apparently have been getting the remodeling/restoration work after remediation.

They have in house staff of about 40-45 at the location in question, but their too busy still.

They're doing a lot of work in NJ in the wake of Sandy.

Would be a lot of drywall work, doors, base, case etc.

I'd be one of 4 sub/crews working for them to fill the void. Even if the work only lasted a couple months, for me that'd be great. I don't want to get burned out however.
I gotta tell ya - those guys usually SET the rates - unless you low-ball.

"Well, I tell ya Kam, we like ya. But here's what we are paying".
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They only sent you the one form with no other information?

Is this a reputable remodel contractor/custom home builder or a large regional home builder (constructing subdivisions and what not)?

They look like amateurs or someone trying to trick you. I would say to trend carefully when bidding on this job.
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I agree with Matt. Double your standard rates and turn that in. Then you will have a starting point if you need to negotiate. Years ago, we did some work for production builder. They gave me the "This is what we pay" spiel, and I countered with my rates being 25% higher. They were busy so they caved. We did work for them only when we needed fill in work.
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It's for a decent size remediation company who apparently have been getting the remodeling/restoration work after remediation.

They have in house staff of about 40-45 at the location in question, but their too busy still.

They're doing a lot of work in NJ in the wake of Sandy.

Would be a lot of drywall work, doors, base, case etc.

I'd be one of 4 sub/crews working for them to fill the void. Even if the work only lasted a couple months, for me that'd be great. I don't want to get burned out however.
It sounds like you have a good opportunity. Now just figure out the form.
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Old 12-15-2012, 10:42 PM   #13
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It sounds like you have a good opportunity. Now just figure out the form.
Yeah. Therein lies the problem.... Haha
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From the responses you've gotten, obviously that form isn't any sort of industry standard. Given that, there is no shame in going back to them with a WTF and a request for line by line clarification of what they are asking for.

Keep in mind that just as you are a potential sub, they are nothing more than a potential primary contractor for whom you might want to work.
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Get an RFI and don't be afraid to ask anything you want to know, the worst thing you can do is go into this learning as you go. It could come back to bite you later.
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That form makes no sence. There is not enough information. I used to fill out a form similar to that for cabinet installs. # of boxes, feet of mouldings, dishwasher panels, etc. and I was paid by the piece but the rates were set.

I'd wipe my but with it and mail it back
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Yeah. Therein lies the problem.... Haha

If the company is straight up, there is no problem.

Perhaps it was a clerical error that you did not receive a proper bid package....

Call and ask for an appointment with someone who can explain it & provide straight answers.

Just keep both eyes WIDE OPEN....
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When I was with a commercial GC, they sent lists like that, usually with a General Procedures/Tolerances packet, and the one they sent made more sense.

It is either for them to know your numbers for bid purposes or just to see if they can afford you.

Go them and ask for clarification
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"List your prices?" Get a proper bid package, with clear information about what you're bidding on.
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yay..a pp firm getting ''in to'' remodeling in the wake of Sandy


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