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Old 03-18-2012, 02:27 PM   #1
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So, the carpenters union is at it again in MN with their ICEC nonsense which is an attempt to further strengthen previous legislation that turns sub-contractors into employees of independent contractors. It is obvious whose behind the ICEC legislation because the legislators (bill authors are also carpenters union reps) didn't go after independent contractor landscapers, real estate agents, off duty cops, and so many other "independent contractors." Trust me when I say that if ICEC like legislation hasn't come to your state yet, it will if the carpeners unions in your state have enough pull. They'll go after the rest of the other industry independent contractors later.

Additionally, and this concerns any contractor who does insurance repair work, pays P&C insurance premiums and has customers who do the same - the fight against the rubber stamp template "no negotiating" legislation that is currently being proposed in many states and has come to Minnesota (as expected) recently.

Will this garbage bill pass in MN? At this point, could go either way. The MN Legislature is getting an unexpected and aggressive blowback from MN contractors as well as homeowners. At a recent House committee hearing, committee members who thought there would be little to no awareness or objection to their scheme got a surprise when a large group of local contractors showed up to express their opposition to the bill that only serves to help the P&C ins industry continue to under pay their property damage claims. Customers of those same and other contractors have offered to appear at the next committee hearing (if any) to make it clear to the committee why the legislation is anything but consumer protection and why it should be tossed.

At a meeting last week with the Minnesota Association of Exterior Specialists, PA firms, and supported by the Builders Association of Minnesota, it was agreed that the above and other anti-business and anti-free enterprise/free market nonsense progresses only because most independent contractors nationwide don't pay attention and if they do find out about legislation that will negatively affect them, they sit on their hands and do nothing. Usually, because they simply don't know what else to do.

A detailed expose on the "no negotiating" legislation in MN (same as the other states now considering it or who have passed it) and instruction on how to get the word out across the country regarding both issues so as to warn those who will be negatively affected is included.

Here's what you can and should do: go to both websites through the links below and read and learn about what the politicians and their sycophants are up to that will negatively affect your business. Unlike OSHA and EPA, these issues are state issues which means each of us can have a bigger affect in defeating such legislation.

Then, take action by letting fellow contractors know by forwarding the links and talking directly to them, telling your customers as much as possible and contacting your state legislators and Governors directly.

READ FIRST: www.iccoa.com/smakers5.htm (ICEC) and www.iccoa.com/bulletin.htm ("no negotiating). Use the links to get the information out as soon as possible and fight back while you still can.
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Old 03-18-2012, 02:56 PM   #2
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I would think if they force all companies to have employees, prices would ultimately go up. IMO, the sub sub game is what keeps these trades in the gutter. We cannot compete price wise with "companies" who have $20/square labor.

We lose too many jobs to the guys who were in real estate or framing last year and now are "insurance restoration firms" the day after the storm hits. Next thing you know the neighborhood is crawling with low life sub contractors.

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I would think if they force all companies to have employees, prices would ultimately go up. IMO, the sub sub game is what keeps these trades in the gutter. We cannot compete price wise with "companies" who have $20/square labor.

We lose too many jobs to the guys who were in real estate or framing last year and now are "insurance restoration firms" the day after the storm hits. Next thing you know the neighborhood is crawling with low life sub contractors.
There is that to be sure. Whether ee or sub, each and all need to follow the rules or get into a different business. I always paid my subs comparable rates to EE's which allowed them to purchase their own WC and other insurances while keeping their desired freedom. I always got top dollar whether retail or ins work.

The point you are missing regarding item 1 - ICEC, is that the carpenters union is trying to force the issue through law which flys in the face of free enterprise/free markets. Item 2 - "no negotiating", which is an attempt to prohibit pro contractors who know better than anyone else what needs to be repaired and what it really costs will keep rates artifically low and I doubt you would be in favor of that.
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This morning at the Minnesota State Capital, as a result of a strong showing by Minnesota contractors, members of the Minnesota Association of Exterior Specialists and others who expressed their strong opposition to the Minnesota State Legislatures matching House and Senate versions of the nationwide "no negotiating" template bill, the bills chief Senate author Gary Dahms (an insurance agent with American Family Insurance) agreed to delete all of the offending "no negotiating", Private Remedy and other language from the bill.

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bin/bldbi...l&session=ls87

1.1 Senator ............... moves to amend S.F. No. 2137 as follows:
1.2 Page 1, delete section 1
1.3 Page 2, delete section 2
1.4 Page 3, delete sections 4 and 5

Unfortunately, Insurance Federation of Minnesota President Bob Johnson who has been fallaciously and relentlessly touting the bill as "consumer protection" and speciously blaming ad infinitum, premium increases on contractors and public adjusters "who charge too much" on ins claim repair work, still had to make his voice heard one more time before the hearing ended. With the cat being out of the bag, so to speak (MN homeowners are now learning what the P&C ins industry is really up to), I find it hard to imagine that Johnson would not get the message...

Because of who writes his paychecks, I can only assume that he will continue the push to get some kind of "no negotiating" legislation passed sooner or later. Likely, he'll eventually persuade some ins industry friendly legislator to re-write the bill down the road and try to get it tossed into an omnibus bill that will get signed by a Governor who isn't paying attention. But we will be!

Next item on my agenda is to get legislation passed that is truly free enterprise free market and gives home owners their proper freedom of choice: All property owners who pay property and casualty insurance premiums should have a free market, free enterprise choice to decide who they want to negotiate for them, advocate on their behalf and represent their interests when they have suffered damage to their properties. If they want an experienced hands on contractor who knows better than anyone what will need repair and how much it will cost at real true and accurate professional contractor rates rather than typically below market value P&C insurance industry "survey" rates, they should be free to choose that option. If they want to pay a Public adjuster a 10% to 15% fee to do the same job - if they can even find one after a storm, that should also be an option. Although not recommended, if they are willing to trust that their P&C insurance company will fairly and fully pay them all they are owed on their claims at real, true and accurate professional contractor rates, they should have that option as well (good luck with that one).

We did it up here in Minnesota and contractors who band together for this common cause can achieve the same in every other state - if they take action.
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