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Old 05-02-2016, 09:35 AM   #1
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We are in the process of purchasing a new gutter machine. I see that some have a "cradle" while others have "spool". If I understand correctly you only need one or the other. For those of you who have worked with these machines, which do you prefer and why?
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Cradle is for mini coils and a spool is for full. Those aluminum thingys that hold gutter up are called hangers


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Cradle is for mini coils and a spool is for full. Those aluminum thingys that hold gutter up are called hangers


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What is considered mini? And when you say full do you mean the full 300+ lb coils? Which do you use more often?
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Have you ever installed ?


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No I haven't. Is that required to purchase a gutter machine?
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Not at all. They'll take money from anyone for the machine but trying to sell to a homeowner is easier when you know what you're talking about.

Not saying what I do is rocket science but no doubt easier with a few thousand jobs under your belt experiencing every type of situation making the customer comfortable that hiring you is right decision.

Mini coils are for colors. Dosnt matter how big or small. Usually get spun out exactly what I need for the job. Use the cradle for that.


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Not at all. They'll take money from anyone for the machine but trying to sell to a homeowner is easier when you know what you're talking about.

Not saying what I do is rocket science but no doubt easier with a few thousand jobs under your belt experiencing every type of situation making the customer comfortable that hiring you is right decision.

Mini coils are for colors. Dosnt matter how big or small. Usually get spun out exactly what I need for the job. Use the cradle for that.


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Great...Thanks for your help!
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What is considered mini? And when you say full do you mean the full 300+ lb coils? Which do you use more often?
I only buy full coils in white. It's the most used color and its nice to have several hundred foot on hand. Believe me, you are gonna waste ALOT of material learning. I bought a Ironman 5/6 combo machine last year. (has it only been a year?) This bears repeating, you are going to waste ALOT of material making mistakes. Keep this in mind when ordering material.

Also, which machine are you looking to buy?
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I'm going to buy a Senox baracuda. I'm not the one who is going to install. I have technicians for that. But if I ask them they'll say they need gold plated rollers PR something. Never fails. That's why I ask here hoping for unbiased opinions.
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All of our other machines were bought used and have the "spool" but the guy at Senox says thank he cradle is easier to work with.
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I have two jobsite machines. Great machines. Don't make the 5" anymore . Friends of mine run ironman and they love them. Never seen senox it must be new. I'd buy an iron Man if I was adding another 5"


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All of our other machines were bought used and have the "spool" but the guy at Senox says thank he cradle is easier to work with.


Cradle instead of spool or in addition to? Wouldn't feel comfortable having a 400lb coil in anything but a spool. The cradles are great to have for colors though. I'd grab it anyway.
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Cradle instead of spool or in addition to? Wouldn't feel comfortable having a 400lb coil in anything but a spool. The cradles are great to have for colors though. I'd grab it anyway.
The technicians like the coil to be broken down into two parts if it's over 100 lbs. Can't say I blame them!
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I have two jobsite machines. Great machines. Don't make the 5" anymore . Friends of mine run ironman and they love them. Never seen senox it must be new. I'd buy an iron Man if I was adding another 5"


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The rep at kwm said that senox's machine is in fact an iron man with senox's logo slapped on it. So i guess i am in fact buying an iron man!
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The technicians like the coil to be broken down into two parts if it's over 100 lbs. Can't say I blame them!


We have the coils loaded with forklift. 350-400lbs. Gonna use "technician" from now on instead of calling myself an installer
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You will blame them once you understand how much material they are going to waste. Trust US! (Everyone is giving you really good advice) I couldn't imagine running mini coils of my primary color. Get two spools or three of you can afford it. Get the transfer bars and let it be. That's the advice you came here for, take it.

Once profitable, then entertain employees wanting cradles. Could you imagine if you set up a rig for ONE employee only to have him quit and the next guy wants it different!?
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Might as well chime in here. Like most, I run the 300+ pound roll of white on the reel. I also have 2 cradles, one mounted on top of the machine and another on the floor of the trailer. The small rolls for color jobs go into the cradles.
I buy colors other than white just in the amount needed for the job at hand. My supplier has several locations and will spin it off of a big roll and ship it to me in a day or two. It doesn't make sense to by 300 pounds of almond or some other color that you might use once every 3 years.
I will sometimes remove the white coil from the reel and throw it into the cradle when it starts to get low and then restock the reel with a new roll of white. I weigh the small remaining coil before I put it into the cradle. Then I know how many feet are on it and can use it up as the jobs call for.
I went from a New Tech Mach 2 to a KWM Ironman Jr. 6 inch machine last year. 6 inch is all I've ever done. Much happier with the KWM. Just little things like the way the reel & stand operates and having the controls on a whip so that I can stand up away from the machine instead of bending over it pushing a switch all day.
As far as loading coil, I have a skid steer with a boom pole attachment. I go right through the side door of the trailer to load the big ones.
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We are in the process of purchasing a new gutter machine. I see that some have a "cradle" while others have "spool". If I understand correctly you only need one or the other. For those of you who have worked with these machines, which do you prefer and why?
i prefer the cradles aluminum spools arent bad but if you get an older machine steel spools can get heavy
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We are in the process of purchasing a new gutter machine. I see that some have a "cradle" while others have "spool". If I understand correctly you only need one or the other. For those of you who have worked with these machines, which do you prefer and why?
i prefer the cradles aluminum spools arent bad but if you get an older machine steel spools can get heavy.
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i prefer the cradles aluminum spools arent bad but if you get an older machine steel spools can get heavy
Yeah. My first machine, a NewTech Mach II had steel spools. Big weight difference between those and the aluminum on my Ironman.

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