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Old 05-09-2010, 01:58 AM   #21
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So much for a lighthearted discussion. No test here....just fact. There is not ONE shingle manufacturer who WON'T warranty a roof installed with nails. However, there are very few that will warranty a roof that is installed with staples. Our single most governing agency, the NRCA, does NOT recommend the use of staples as an approved fastening method for shingles. If you would like to look it up, Aaron, you may do so in the NRCA's Roofing and Waterproofing Manual, 4th Addition. My 'test' is an example I will use to create a visual for a homeowner. I actually don't even need to use it as the only time it comes up is when I am answering the question "You don't use staples, do you?" I use it for reinforcement to create a visual and expose any hack who has tried to convince them otherwise. Common sense will tell you that there is no bearing area on a a crown of a staple to hold down the shingle. Winds can rip the shingle right through the bridge of the staple, thus making it essentially useless. Most roofers use them for one reason and one reason only, and it was stated earlier. They get 4 bundles to 1 bundle before having to change out. Staples also come with about three times the quantity per box which can save a roofer a whopping $30-$40 per job. It's a cost issue. Anyone who really things it 'better' than nailing speak up. Why would anyone risk looking even more shady in an already shady business by trying to save a little time or money. There are very few HO's who don't know the difference. It's not worth the risk.
I don't use staples for all the reasons you state.

I simply said that the paper/tack comparison would not be a valid test.
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Old 05-09-2010, 04:18 AM   #22
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Re: Nailing Versus Stapling


Thanks for the info. Other than code legalities and mfg warranties, it seems to boil down to personal preferences. Interesting read.
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Thanks for the info. Other than code legalities and mfg warranties, it seems to boil down to personal preferences. Interesting read.

It seems to me with code legalities and mgf warranties
personal preferences has got nothing to do with it
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Roofers NAIL!

As I've said before, you've never heard someone say "I stapled that girl good!"



Besides, staples are for paper!
And the NRCA recommends nails over staples.
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Once again, what people seem to "think" (or prefer) resides over real world results.

I believe some of the wrappers say, "use 4 fasteners per shingle", unless that changed (which it may have).

A good shingle and Contractor means more than the fastners used.
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Question:

Are staples better than nails?
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Once again, what people seem to "think" (or prefer) resides over real world results.

I believe some of the wrappers say, "use 4 fasteners per shingle", unless that changed (which it may have).

A good shingle and Contractor means more than the fastners used.
In Florida we have to use 6 nails, per shingle.

Nails are better than staples.
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Are staples better than nails?
no.
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I see sheds stapled, and everything else around me is nailed. seems like the modular homes and production type roofs are stapled.
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ill staple vinyl siding when conditions are right [ie. depending on
underlayment] best fastener for it imo
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staples have very little pullout resistance as there is no bearing area to hold them down. They are generally overdriven into the shingle, puncturing it, thus doing very little to hold it down to the roof.....it would still hold it up on the roof as the legs of the staple would be holding off gravity, but the shingle is not secured down. A nail head properly driven gives allows for a larger bearing area that increases the pull out resistance.
Comparing a buried staple to a properly driven nail is pretty shady.
Staples have 2 points of contact, compared to 1 nail with only 1,
the bridge of a staple will not cut a shingle unless the gun is set way too deep.
Surface area of a staple bridge vs nail head, same.
I've seen many manufactured homes going down the freeway at 45 mph and the roof stayed on.
Politics and profit play a big role in determining codes and what is allowed in the industry.
I've seen no problems in 35 years with staples.
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More scare tactics... less talent.
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Put on thousands of squares of comp w/staples.......Never a problem. It's all about the faster placement. I will say that nails are much easier over-driven than staples. We use nails in Colorado simply because of emotion...."that's just the way they do it here".....Every now & then I'll pull out a PW and show the boys' how it's done.....Much more efficient that the coil nailers....much more.....
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Nails Vs Staples, that was so 2 years ago...
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Here's the real-world reality of it;
We've Installed somewhere north of 100,000 sqs over the past 30 yrs......All stapled....never an issue.....HAVE had issues with roofers over-driving w/nail guns where new roofs blew-off!
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Here's the real-world reality of it;
We've Installed somewhere north of 100,000 sqs over the past 30 yrs......All stapled....never an issue.....HAVE had issues with roofers over-driving w/nail guns where new roofs blew-off!
Yes cause no one has ever seen a stapled roof blow off and staples can be over driven and positioned wrong just like nails. Plus it's not recommended to staple any more.
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I don't understand.....My point was; There's absolutely nothing wrong with fastening comp shingles w/staples.....Contrary to popular belief/perceptions.....
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I checked the search feature and found no matches on this so I thought I'd ask the pro roofers. Stopped by my local tool distributor yesterday and they were doing a demo with a stapler. (Of course, I stopped to watch it) So what's the better of the two or the drawbacks of the two?
Nails hold the shingles on your roof down better than staples can.Choose nails over staples and a competent roofer to install them and you will be happy.
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Fords drive better than Chevys. Choose Fords over Chevys and a competent car salesman and you will be happy!!!!!
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I don't understand.....My point was; There's absolutely nothing wrong with fastening comp shingles w/staples.....Contrary to popular belief/perceptions.....

My point was shingles could be fasten down with gold fasteners and we would still have blow offs because roofers try and be to fast or to lazy to nail correctly. Or over drive fasteners.

So choosing nails over staples really doesn't matter since both can be fastened incorrectly.

The reason you see more nailed ones blow off is because more people use nails. because the manufactures want you too...

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