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Old 08-23-2014, 08:44 AM   #21
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The OP has not posted back anything so suspect he or she figured it out. Google is an amazing tool...

As far as roof overs we can't do them here anymore, illegal. Prior to 7/07 could count on one hand how many roof overs we did. More than likely lost a lot of roof over jobs insisting on tearing off.

I HATE TWO LAYER TEAR OFFS...


It is the 4 and 5 layer with wood ones in the mix that are fun to do. Did a small like 15 square roof once , pulled 4 ton of old shingles off.
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It is the 4 and 5 layer with wood ones in the mix that are fun to do. Did a small like 15 square roof once , pulled 4 ton of old shingles off.
We did one when I first started, Seven layers of 3 tab, and
woven valley was almost 3" thick

good news is they used #16 to hold them down.

and homeowner was responsible for cleanup and removal.
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You guys are right a simple 2 layer rip sure beats a 4-7 layer rip!

We did one 3-4 years ago. The whole house had a layer of woodies than two layers of asphalt. One lower pitched section had 5 layers on it.

My Dad has done some with as many as 7 layers. He also did one were the previous roofer put decking over 4 layers of shingles. The city reached out to my father for his help and he secured the job. This was over 30 years way before licenses.

Personally my least favorite tear off was what I thought was a 1 layer 3 tab tear off ended up being two additional layers to tear off both cedar shingles. Talk about nails...Yes, we pulled EVERY NAIL... That roof also had the biggest gaps I've ever seen 3-4 inches.

jaydee, how do you talk the customer into clean up??? Feel free to PM me if it's a "secret"!!!
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I'd die for a 2 layer. Most if ours have 4 with at least 1 layer of shakes. We pulled off 8 layers of a 50sq roof one time. I thought it had 2 but under the 2 was plywood over the rest. It was over 96000 pounds and 2 40 yard dumpsters

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I've never had to rip more than one layer... Thats because I always insist on going on top of the old roof. Especially if it has moss/ some other sort of organic growth. Then it's basically a green roof. I'll only use architectural shingles and I insist on using 6" tapcon screws that go directly into the trusses/rafters.

The whole roof gets a thick coating of PL premium as well. I get it in 5 gallon buckets and trowel it on. Of course the HO pays a premium for this top quality installation but it ends up about the same as ripping and disposing of 1 layer of shingles.
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Old 08-24-2014, 12:16 AM   #26
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Gorilla goo is easier then trowel on.....you just mist with the hose and squirt the bottle then slam the new shingles down and gun nail with 1/4" stamples

Im being a smart ass but ya no thanks on ever tearing that off , and whoo cares if there is a lil white jizz coming out everywhere
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A bunch of years ago heard of a guy who got paid for hail damage on his roof. Rather than tear it off he simply painted his roof. Next hail storm they bought it again... Guess the paint held up well too.
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Reminds me of a guy trying to sell me on a roll on roof coating. Said it would give me 15 more years of life to the roof. At that point I laughed to myself as there was no point in arguing with him and his sales pitch.
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jaydee, how do you talk the customer into clean up??? Feel free to PM me if it's a "secret"!!!
That job was when I first started. 17 years ago,
gave the bid to the HO. He wanted it cheaper, instead of lowering my price. I asked if he wanted to do the pickup & get the dumpster.

WIN + WIN FOR ME.

He was still happy with the deal, knowing what it would have cost him with the pickup labor + debris +markup
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I like to use parchment paper. it lays flatter... but Im going to try the sandwich baggies, that seems more breathable. And hey... heres a tip for ya. If you have an ALDI grocery store... they charge 2.22 cents for the 40, 50 and 100 count bags... ???? YA i dont get it either... but im betting Jaydees customer would go for the 40 count vs the 50 or 100 count.

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That job was when I first started. 17 years ago,
gave the bid to the HO. He wanted it cheaper, instead of lowering my price. I asked if he wanted to do the pickup & get the dumpster.

WIN + WIN FOR ME.
ok wait a minute... instead of lowering your price you asked him if he wanted to do the clean up? ..... because he wanted it cheaper?

You: Hello sir, its going to be $15,000.
Him: Oh no.... thats way too much.
You: Well you can do the clean up if you want and buy the dumpster.
Him: OK HELL YEAH 15,000, I DO THE CLEAN UP! AND GET THE DUMPSTER YES! Ill take it!!

i wish my customers were that stupid.
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ok wait a minute... instead of lowering your price you asked him if he wanted to do the clean up? ..... because he wanted it cheaper?

i wish my customers were that stupid.
I took the cost of picking up Two layers& dumpster fee.
He had to pickup a 7 layer rip, and put it into his rented dumpster.
it was like 26 sq,.

BETTER HIM, THAN ME....
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A second layer of 3 tabs over the whole roof is a waste of time and $. We like to use the Blue Roof System. Its faster and the HO saves $ by only installing the system in the "trouble" areas!
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A second layer of 3 tabs over the whole roof is a waste of time and $. We like to use the Blue Roof System. Its faster and the HO saves $ by only installing the system in the "trouble" areas!
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Ooh, I like that.
And you can arrange those sticks just any way you want? :-D
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Ooh, I like that.
And you can arrange those sticks just any way you want? :-D
Yes sir any way you want!
With a rattle can of paint and a sharpie you cant even see the repair.
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Or you could put your name and phone number up there for some free advertising
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where do you get a blue roof repair tarp that dosnt already have holes and tears? ....the last couple i bought already had holes.
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i prefer to hold the tarp in place with a bundle of shingles on each corner. of course thats more expensive than sticks but it looks more professional.
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Looks like they forgot the new tarp compatible plumbing boot. It should be blue like the tarp.

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