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Old 10-19-2011, 08:52 AM   #21
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We're talking 6" Randy. $3.25 a foot? That's slave wages, even for 5". AND it is prevailing wage! I'm not sure if you read my post thuroughly.

If he can do 300' in two hours, but 500' in one day, what does he do for the other 5 hours? can he do 500 or 900 in a day? Big difference. Were you drinking?

I had a gutter sub crew once who could do 1,000' a day on average. It was a 4 man crew and 98% of their jobs were effed up. Sooo much speed but zero in caring about a job well done.
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We're talking 6" Randy. $3.25 a foot? That's slave wages, even for 5".

If he can do 300' in one hour, but 500' in one day, what does he do for the other 6 hours?
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Grumpy.....All I can say is if you are struggling this much on a little 800' gutter job......I would hate to see you on a "big" job. 3 guys x 8 hours.........24 prevailing wage hours, now you happy?

I don't give two puffs about prevailing wage or any of the other sissy aspects. You asked a question and I gave you an answer. We pay 2.85 to 3.35 a foot for 6" seamless, that's what guys here charge, he makes his $125,000 a year and is happy. Now if you guys want to pay $15 a foot.....go for it. All this worrying gonna make you old

I still think maybe your help is old and slow..... lol

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Like I said, straight runs, no corners. Yep would be run out right on the job site. Pictures can be provided, but gutters aren't exactly rocket science.


Quite honestly, on a 1 story ranch, I would expect 2 experienced gutter guys to be able to knock out 400-500' in an 8 hour day. Since this is a little taller than a ranch, is 6" instead of 5" I think 3 days with 3 guys is more than generous.
2.5 to 3 days is my guess.I don't do it everyday.I watched good experienced gutter guys knock off 2 story houses(off and on)in 3-4 hrs corners etc..But thats all they do..Heh Grumpy,bin awhile.take care
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Yeah John, long time no talk.
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Grumpy.....All I can say is if you are struggling this much on a little 800' gutter job......I would hate to see you on a "big" job. 3 guys x 8 hours.........24 prevailing wage hours, now you happy?

I don't give two puffs about prevailing wage or any of the other sissy aspects. You asked a question and I gave you an answer. We pay 2.85 to 3.35 a foot for 6" seamless, that's what guys here charge, he makes his $125,000 a year and is happy. Now if you guys want to pay $15 a foot.....go for it. All this worrying gonna make you old

I still think maybe your help is old and slow..... lol
No I am not happy. Have you seen my name? It takes alot more than words on a computer screen to make me happy, besides I had my answer long before you posted. I had my answer before I posted, but was checking to make sure I was accurate. Ya know, measure twice cut once. It works in estimating too.



Again, it's prevailing wage. Your $2.85 is a joke. Do you even know what prevailing wage is? Again also it's 6" and 6" will cost $1.82 plus tax. You're talking $2 a foot just for gutter. Not counting end caps, corners, miters, caulk, screws, etc.... You're telling me your gutter sub installs gutter for less than $0.75 a foot? And you're teloign me for the $0.75 a foot he is paying union scale (prevailing wage)? Hmmmm... Either your gutter sub is on rocks or you might not fully comprehend what we are discussing here.


I've been hanging gutters for 13 years and even when I started, gutter subs were charging more than $3 a foot for 5" .027.
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i don't like gutters and don't install we don't really need there out here But at $3.25/ LF i don't see how you could make a living

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i don't like gutters and don't install we don't really need there out here But at $3.25/ LF i don't see how you could make a living

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Cheat your insurance and cheat your taxes and you'll make a killing.
Or go to work for the government and cheat the taxpayer by paying slackers prevailing wage.....pick your poison.

Or hire workers instead of slobs who mooch you to death. 3 guys working 8 hour days for 3 days to hang 800 feet of gutters is SLOW!! That is around 10 feet per man hour, lol. That is a joke. Did you get these guys on Craigslist? I can see why you are so Grumpy now

Your material price seems high. Even your local Gutter Supply has 6" coil for less than $1 foot and I know a big timer like you gets big discounts.

Didn't mean to start a pissing contest....

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I have no clue in gutters but I would suggest agreeing with foreman.

Foremen always think they are right.

Then get job done in 3 instead of 5.

Perform victory dance around him.
He will learn to not doubt you again.

As far as prevailing wage goes...hey in some parts of world case of beer and bag of weed is prevailing wage.
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Or go to work for the government and cheat the taxpayer by paying slackers prevailing wage.....pick your poison.

Or hire workers instead of slobs who mooch you to death. 3 guys working 8 hour days for 3 days to hang 800 feet of gutters is SLOW!! That is around 10 feet per man hour, lol. That is a joke. Did you get these guys on Craigslist? I can see why you are so Grumpy now

Your material price seems high. Even your local Gutter Supply has 6" coil for less than $1 foot and I know a big timer like you gets big discounts.

Didn't mean to start a pissing contest....

Cheers my friend.
$1.28 per foot of 15" (6" gutter) .032 coil, plus tax and pickup/delivery. Tax is 9.5%. I do not use .027. Since I don't own a 6" machine, I get a run out at 1.82. I can get it from a less reliable company at $1.80 but they are never on time. If I did own a 6" machine I would have to figure cost of owner ship into the machine which would put the $1.28 on par with $1.82 anyways.


Do I WANT to pay prevailing wage? No. Do I HAVE to pay prevailing wage? YES or I wouldn't in the first place. It's not even a matter worth further discussion.

Don't forget it's 820' gutter and 150' downspouts. It's actualy closer to 14' a man hour. The downspouts aren't free.
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2 at most.. My guys could have that done in a long day most likely.

If i where scheduling that on our board i would have another medium sized job booked for the 2nd days afternoon.
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$1.28 per foot of 15" (6" gutter) .032 coil, plus tax and pickup/delivery. Tax is 9.5%. I do not use .027. Since I don't own a 6" machine, I get a run out at 1.82. I can get it from a less reliable company at $1.80 but they are never on time. If I did own a 6" machine I would have to figure cost of owner ship into the machine which would put the $1.28 on par with $1.82 anyways.


Do I WANT to pay prevailing wage? No. Do I HAVE to pay prevailing wage? YES or I wouldn't in the first place. It's not even a matter worth further discussion.

Don't forget it's 820' gutter and 150' downspouts. It's actualy closer to 14' a man hour. The downspouts aren't free.
That is the difference. I didn't realize you didn't run your own machine.
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If you have the gutter guys who did my gutters several weeks...

That's how long they took to do my gutters. One guy full time and another guy a couple days a week.

300ft over half 33ft from eave to ground. Of course a few days only a couple hours were put in.

2 guys who know how to hang? 3 days.
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Also,

My gutter guy charges me $5 a foot for 5in K style and $55 for one story spouts and $75 for two story spouts. Insurance pays about $6 foot for either 5in gutters or spouts.

We see 6in every once in a great while on high end homes.
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2 days tops...
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That is something how areas are so different. Here in our area the only people using 5" are the tract homes and they pay about $2.65 per foot. Every residential house we do is 6" and most apartment complexes. We pay footage price for downspouts 13 feet for 1 story and 23 for 2 story and pay the same as gutter footage price, tear off of old gutters is xtra.

I talked to my gutter guy earlier and scheduled 2 houses for this week. About 700 feet total with downspouts. He said he would be at the first one about 1pm Tuesday, I asked him if he was just doing 1 Tuesday and he said no, he would do them both. It gets dark at 7....so we'll see.
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So how did your gutter job go Grumpy? They did both of my jobs on Tuesday. Guy told me his material costs have dropped in the last couple of months. There were 2 guys, took them 6 hours including fighting a 89' long run by themselves with all kinds of obstacles.

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