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Old 04-19-2019, 07:11 PM   #21
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He never really had me do this side of the business I have just been an installer. So Iím just trying to make sure what Iím doing is right it hasnít been easy since heís passed


Are you just running one truck ? Do you do much 6Ē ? How many guys to do a house ?


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Old 04-19-2019, 07:12 PM   #22
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And we have been in business for over 30 years I was just asking for advice since my dad had passed unexpectedly and Iím just trying to keep it on tract sorry for asking for help I guess


i am in the same boat where my dad just dropped the ball, retired and dumped the business on me without notice. Sorry about your dad, fortunately mine is still around for a little bit longer and is able to give me some advice. I am a mason and the competition is fierce especially with the illegals so I am constantly analyzing my price to try to up the bar a little bit

FYI straight up pricing is frowned upon this forum... otherwise itís a great place for advice


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Old 04-19-2019, 07:39 PM   #23
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We run close to the same amount of 5” as 6” right now it’s just one truck and it’s me and another guy. Unless we get into something big/crazy we will bring in an extra hand or two.
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Old 04-19-2019, 08:12 PM   #24
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We run close to the same amount of 5Ē as 6Ē right now itís just one truck and itís me and another guy. Unless we get into something big/crazy we will bring in an extra hand or two.


Have a ton of overhead ? Something isnít adding up.


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No overhead everything is paid for as far as that goes the only expenses are general operating expenses.
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No overhead everything is paid for as far as that goes the only expenses are general operating expenses.


Do you have crazy high workers comp rates like i do?


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Nope Iím not a one and done poster. And I run a minimum of 500í per day and Iíve seen the other installers bids is how I know what the prices are around me
I am happy to help but seriously... how can you run a minimum of 500 foot per day installed? With you and one helper? Is this all single-story new construction in the same development five minutes from your supply house? Or do you do five garages that are all 25 x 25 detached one story?

Iím not saying itís hard to believe...... Iím saying if youíre installing 500 foot minimum a day with one helper there is not much I can teach you about anything. You need to be teaching me how to run that much every single day and still have time to run estimates and sleep.

Also where are you located ? What state at least so I know to steer clear of it.
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And we have been in business for over 30 years I was just asking for advice since my dad had passed unexpectedly and Iím just trying to keep it on tract sorry for asking for help I guess
As said before, pricing questions aren't allowed. Stick around. You will find plenty of helpful information.

Regarding prices, I see them up and down a little, but everyone is fairly close. What I notice more than anything is guys aren't carrying insurance. They are cheaper per ft., but I can't have that on my jobs. I am paying $4 per ft, single story. I can get it cheaper, but this company has all it's insurance and are good to work with. I also know all the guys on the job are on payroll. With his competition, I'm sure they are getting cash at the end of the day.

Sorry about your dad. I've been there. Didn't he leave you some sort of information about how he priced stuff. Surely there are some job tickets that you can see how many feet were installed, and what the cost was. Also, if you find out how much your competition charges, ask yourself if it's a legitimate price.
I know of a gutter guy who charges what he thinks he can get.
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No they aren’t crazy high. And I’m from north central Indiana. We generally gutter two single story homes a day or a singl story home and a pole building and that’s what he use to do i would install all day and he did estimates so now I’m trying to do that plus estimate and getting home around 10 pm and going again at 5 am
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No they arenít crazy high. And Iím from north central Indiana. We generally gutter two single story homes a day or a singl story home and a pole building and thatís what he use to do i would install all day and he did estimates so now Iím trying to do that plus estimate and getting home around 10 pm and going again at 5 am


Try to push 6Ē more and more. There is a lot more profit in the 6Ē for same amount of work as you know. We do 75% 6Ē Show your customer a piece of each and it will sell itself. Youíll make 35% more profit on each job at least. I made the switch to 6Ē 20 years ago.


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No they arenít crazy high. And Iím from north central Indiana. We generally gutter two single story homes a day or a singl story home and a pole building and thatís what he use to do i would install all day and he did estimates so now Iím trying to do that plus estimate and getting home around 10 pm and going again at 5 am
I think that working that many hours will be a problem too. How long will you be able to keep that up? You might need to raise your prices just to slow business down a bit. Raise your price 10% and work 10% less. I would rather pay $3.85 for a quality guy that I can count on vs. $3.50 for questionable workmanship installed two weeks late.
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Ok I’ll try to push more 6” and I was thinking about raising prices I’m just nervous to lose more than I can you know
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Ok Iíll try to push more 6Ē and I was thinking about raising prices Iím just nervous to lose more than I can you know
Too harsh. Iíll re post later


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Ok I’ll try to push more 6” and I was thinking about raising prices I’m just nervous to lose more than I can you know
If you’re working 5am-10pm you need to lose some work. Up your price 0.50/ft and see what happens. That’s only $100 on a 200’ job.

People around here get a lot of quotes for gutters. I’ve heard of prices ranging from $2500 down to $650 for the exact same job. The ones quoting $2500 wouldn’t do it if they never got it.
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Try to push 6Ē more and more. There is a lot more profit in the 6Ē for same amount of work as you know. We do 75% 6Ē Show your customer a piece of each and it will sell itself. Youíll make 35% more profit on each job at least. I made the switch to 6Ē 20 years ago.


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That's what I do. I do 6 inch exclusively, but I bring a piece of 5 inch to every estimate for the customer to see the difference.
Now and then someone will think that 6 inch is too big for residential but they've been few & far between for the entire time I've been doing it.
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That's what I do. I do 6 inch exclusively, but I bring a piece of 5 inch to every estimate for the customer to see the difference.

Now and then someone will think that 6 inch is too big for residential but they've been few & far between for the entire time I've been doing it.


I still have to have a 5Ē machine because I also do a lot of sub work and I havenít gotten them all to switch over. Also some just prefer the 5Ē for their jobs.


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I pay over $6 here. I should get in the gutter business.
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Try to push 6Ē more and more. There is a lot more profit in the 6Ē for same amount of work as you know. We do 75% 6Ē Show your customer a piece of each and it will sell itself. Youíll make 35% more profit on each job at least. I made the switch to 6Ē 20 years ago.


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Every now and then I end up estimating a job when the homeowners are not there. I try to avoid it but sometimes it just happens. When thatís the case I take a sharpie and write my price for 6 inch gutters on a 1 foot long 6 inch scrap and the price for 5 inch gutters and a 1 foot long 5 inch scrap. I leave it on the front porch or on the back patio. When I send my estimate via email I refer them to look for the ďshow and tellĒ pieces.
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Thanks for all the help guys

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